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welcome everyone to the california mufon

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radio show i'm your host lorian fenton i

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am so happy you guys are with me here

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tonight we have an amazing guest and

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we're going to get to him in just a few

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minutes is stan willis and he has a

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i'm not sure if he's got a website or

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what all he's got going for him but i

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know it's dream hill research right now

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and when we get to danny's going to

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explain everything he's doing what he's

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been up to what he's done in the past

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and his thoughts for the future i'm sure

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that will all come along but before we

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get to dan as usual you guys know i've

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got to talk to you about upcoming events

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and things that are happening and um

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let's see last week i went on quite a

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terror about the mufon symposium and uh

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this week i've calmed down a bit but not

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our buddy stan romanek was found guilty

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of some kind of charges yesterday and i

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was pretty upset about the whole thing

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and you know to be honest with you folks

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i was texting another good friend of

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mine um

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today and that is melinda leslie and

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i basically said to her i said what is

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with the whole ufo community where

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a guy that has actual footage of aliens

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shadow beans and orbs in his house and

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possible children from other dimensions

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and all this in film on film caught on

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film i don't think it's hoaxed you guys

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i've examined the movie i've watched it

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five or six times and i've slowed it

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down and i've looked at it and it's

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really hard

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to do that unless you got major cgi

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capability and i know the guys who

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produced the film

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they were doing it on a shoestring

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budget and yeah i'm sure they had some

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kind of cgi capability but folks i just

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don't see it i just don't see it in this

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movie okay i mean i can usually kind of

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tell and i think that those shots were

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very real about especially the alien in

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the window i know everybody says it was

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faked but

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you know

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i don't know i i just think it's real i

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don't know maybe dan has some insight

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into all the stan romanex stuff i don't

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know we'll talk to him about it later

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maybe he has none but my whole take is

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that there's something really

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happening with stan romanek trust me

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folks you don't go into this saying oh

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i've spotted ufos and a whole bunch of

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witnesses were with me when i saw them

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and they followed my car and then they

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started calling my house and then they

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started coming to my house and all this

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strange stuff happened you don't tell

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people about it if you expect to make a

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living off of it see this is the part

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that i went nuts about with melinda i

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texted her and i said isn't it strange

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when the people who have actual proof of

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alien existence are called and warned

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that their film will never see the light

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of day quote unquote and that they will

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be punished for releasing it okay

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so when that happens and then there's

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guys like corey good who get out there

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and get a movie deal a bobble head doll

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a comic strip

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and they've got a marketing team around

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them and they're playing games they're

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playing contracts i i call it games i

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but it's contracts with this tv network

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out of denver colorado which is by by

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chance by you know by

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happenstance

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the satanic den of the united states and

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you know i'm sitting here and the guy

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that owns the thing thing is

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worshiping metatron

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so it makes me start wondering who's

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really in control of our paradigm folks

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okay they did the same thing to wendell

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stevens they did it to stand they're

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doing it to everybody they can that

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actual has that actually has information

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that's pertaining to what's really going

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and i just i get really as you can tell

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i get really upset

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and uh the part of this that bothers me

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the most and this is what i figured out

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yesterday and oh darn my phone i left

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the ringer on okay well you guys will

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just have to sit through it ringing

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here's the part that really got to me

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i figured it out and i said it live on

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air on monday and i'm going to say it

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live on air today

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i absolutely believe that this tv

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network out of denver colorado is trying

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to control the narrative about

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going into the future about what we

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believe is the truth about ufology i

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believe they are a psyops i believe

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they're

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in bed with the cia the nsa the alphabet

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agencies the department of energy the

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office of naval intelligence you name it

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i think they're in bed with them and i

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do believe that they are trying to

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control the narrative they don't care

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about anybody over 40 or 45 they don't

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care about us all of us old folks we're

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just going to shrivel up and die soon

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they don't care they want to control the

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younger people what they believe

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everybody i talked to under 40 says oh i

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watched it on youtube so it's got to be

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true

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you know and and they say oh gaia you

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know they're the the best thing since

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sliced bread and yes i just said their

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name and you know they they're doing the

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alien mummies from peru and they've got

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dolan on and they've got wilcock and

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they've got corey good and you did it

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you know folks you know if these people

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would spend

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20 minutes a day researching the real

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people in ufology i mean the list goes

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on and on i i i'm so upset right now i

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can't even start the list but there are

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people out there randy coping he's got

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several books out the guy's of my labs

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expert he knows what goes on with these

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guys he's he's got information out there

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that'll blow your mind nobody buys his

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books nobody cares i mean

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it's like the people who do the real

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research oh our guy up in washington um

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i'm so upset clarkson he did an amazing

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book about june this woman who worked at

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wright-patterson airport does anybody

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know about it no all they know about is

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this the blue avians and i'm getting

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really upset with this whole thing and

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it is a psyops and if people don't wake

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up i don't know what we're going to do

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you know i'm really on the edge of

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deciding whether i want to have anything

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to do with any of it anymore and even

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have a radio show you know mufon's been

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in bed with all kinds of people over the

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years and i don't care that move funds

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in bed with people i really don't

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because at least they let us have our

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meetings and we can do what we want at

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them and at least we can all find each

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other and have a good time and really

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tell each other the truth about what's

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going on in the ufo community i think

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mufon is a double-edged sword and i

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thank them for being the way they are

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because thank god they're doing that but

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you know when you watch this tv network

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no one's giving you the opportunity to

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rebuttal there's no rebuttaling there's

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no argument there's no having a

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different opinion there's nothing it's

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just brainwashing and it's coming right

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at you and you guys really need to wake

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up about this i you know okay

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i'm gonna breathe i'm gonna breathe i'm

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gonna breathe right now because i'm

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really out of terror tonight i swear to

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god folks after watching what happened

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to stan yesterday and watching this for

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five years they've kept it locked up in

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his house for freaking four years they

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killed david adair's wife they a slow

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kill with a rare disease that nobody

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else on this planet has except for one

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other person and they killed his wife

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and they made him sit there and watch it

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for five years to keep him quiet you

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have guys have no idea what they do to

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the people that are the true people in

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ufology you have no idea

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and uh i discovered that too i've

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discovered that they've taken all the

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the heavy players that are all in their

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70s right now and they've locked them up

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in their homes it's called somewhat

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freedom you know they all think they're

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free but the reality is these guys have

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a chokehold on them and they're killing

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their family members slowly so they have

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nowhere to go they can't leave the house

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they have to stay home and take care of

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them they can't go to a conference god

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no there's nobody to take care of them

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and when they try to get people to help

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take care of them nobody will come to

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their aid isn't that interesting

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you know it's uh

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it's disgusting but the black black ops

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military and all these people have done

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to everybody anyhow okay i got to stop

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all this because i'm really getting you

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know i'm going to have a a headache by

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the time i get done here and i haven't

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gotten in chat yet i'm sure there's a

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lot of people they're very angry with me

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right now but you guys i you gotta wake

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up you gotta wake up and look at what's

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really going on here who wants to

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control

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for the money it's all about money in

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the end

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what you think about ufology is it

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ancient aliens bingo is it history

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channel bingo is it gaia bingo is it

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youtube bingo i mean it's all about them

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and what they want you to believe and

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believe me folk the real videos get

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taken off of youtube they get taken down

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in a heartbeat i have friends who can't

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keep a video on youtube and they got

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real truth going on so there you go okay

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i really am done this time now what i'm

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trying to do is i'm trying to log into

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my website which is turning into an

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interesting conundrum right here i

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wonder how i'm going to do this okay

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let's try that

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and what i'm doing is i'm pasting up

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right now on my conferences page

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if you go to well give me one second

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here and i'll paste it in

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i'm gonna do it right now let's see if i

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can do it um i gotta go to the text part

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and right below the text i'm going to

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paste in a well maybe i'm going to paste

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it and good old wordpress giving me a

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bad time here okay let's see if i can

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know why well maybe during the break i

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will paste in a donate button and here's

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what i'd like you guys to do if you

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don't mind go to

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lorientfenton.com that's

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and go to the conferences page or

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upcoming events or whatever it's called

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i think it's called conferences there

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that shows you that we're having a big

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birthday party for me on august 19th

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it's my 60th birthday and we're trying

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to raise some money to see if we can get

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a cat catio patio built in my

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senior mobile home park so that's what

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we're working at right now and i just

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decided i'm going to open this up not

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just the people coming to the party i

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know there's a lot of you out there that

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love kitty cats too want to see

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something happen for them

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and um hopefully you guys can um

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donate and help out with that i'd really

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appreciate it it would help us all the

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cats are trying to kill each other on a

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daily basis now so

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i don't know how much longer i'm going

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to have both of them at this point so

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there you are and if you could donate

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that be great the donate button will be

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up right underneath that in a very short

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amount of time so let's see what we can

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do here about that um maybe i actually

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did put it in we'll see

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um okay there we go let's save and exit

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and see if it did it it might have done

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it okay so um yeah after the first break

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check it out go to conferences under

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lorian fenton.com and there should be

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something there to be able to donate

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also if you guys want to see my kitty

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cats i actually posted them on the mufon

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marin sonoma.com website that's mufon

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marin

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county

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dot com that's mufon marin sonoma.com

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check it out go to the upcoming events

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page and there's a picture there with my

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kitty cats and all about the party and

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you can at least see them there and

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eventually i'll get a donate button

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under there too and we may just run

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until we can get this this legislature

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passed in

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i don't know maybe i'm gonna have to do

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a big gofundme page but here's what i'm

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doing in a nutshell

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i'm getting a hold of an attorney and

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we're working on

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letting cats cat owners in mobile homes

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senior mobile home parks anybody over 55

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that lives in one of these crazy places

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where the regulations are beyond a nazi

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concentration camp i must tell you

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um it's unbelievable my hedges i have to

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go out with measuring tape and measure

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when i'm cutting my head because you

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guys may believe this it's insanity and

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they will not allow cats to be outside

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at all okay

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dogs of course can get on a leash and go

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out with their owners and have a good

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old time and you know wander around and

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do their thing but the kitty cats they

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just gotta look out their windows and

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it's not very conducive

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when a lot of these cats are older cats

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that were in bigger homes and they've

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all been shrunk down into you know 700

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square feet and they're all miserable

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and i've talked to a lot of my neighbors

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and they're in the same situation i am

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they have older cats that you know they

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moved here

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because they're you know older and

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retiring and what have you and their

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cats are all just miserable and it's

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just horrible they can't get any real

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fresh air they can't get any you know

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they can get in the sun in the fresh air

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looking through a window or through a

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screen but it's not the same folks

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they really need it it helps their

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little bodies uh be happy and healthy so

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i'm trying to do the best i can to

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change this for the whole state of

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california and maybe we can do it

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nationwide i don't know but i'm just

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piecing it all together i'm starting in

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september and uh just trying to raise

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some money to get the catio so i have

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something to show the mobile home park

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owner and i have something to show the

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lawyers and i have something to say hey

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look they're not ugly they're these

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beautiful wood things with screens and

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they're just like a little room and the

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cats get to go out a kitty door right

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into them and they get to go out there

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and breathe fresh air and hang out in

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the sunlight and get rained on if they

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want to you know whatever they want and

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it just it makes them feel better and

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healthy so that's what i'm hoping for

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i'm also going to try and i don't know

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if this could happen if any of you know

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anybody that produces this show please

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let me know it is called animal planet

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my cat from hell with jason galaxy i'm

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going to get to la at some point and try

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to meet up with him and see if there's

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any possibility

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his foundation would uh sponsor and help

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with this kind of bill that we need to

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pass

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so anyhow so that's my big goal you guys

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i mean i'm really serious about this i

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want this to change for kitty owners so

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those are my only children you know and

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i've got to take care of them so there

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we are until the coats show up

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and then i'll probably passing

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legislation for ufos to be able to pick

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up goats anytime they want to ride to

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outer space so there you go

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okay um let me get on to the um

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let's see

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see if there's any there seems to be

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lots of bubbles in here that people are

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trying to communicate with me but i i'm

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not paying attention as usual

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um let me get in here and get to the

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chat room okay dan

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dan willis are you ready to to take the

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hello lauren

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greetings hey how are you doing my

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friend

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oh in the middle of a storm with

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lightning over here hopefully the

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connection will stay up we're we're off

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the grid living up here in the mountains

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but uh the internet could go down at any

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moment so uh you know we'll hopefully if

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it does then i'll just have to get my

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cats in here and they'll have to sing

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around with kumbaya or something and

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i don't know if you can hear them right

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now but they're going off right now so

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uh it's always it's always a fun fun fun

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day here at the at the mini house i call

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it my tiny house

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so um so how are you doing and uh what

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have you been up to and first of all i

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guess what beyond that is i guess we

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should tell the audience who you are

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where you come from how i met you what

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you know what happened

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so let's start there

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oh okay uh well let's see back in uh

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1969

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a long time ago

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um i had a high level top secret

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security clearance working in naval

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communications um i was a high-speed

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code operator and

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i took thousands of messages and one

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stuck in my mind

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the ship was reporting off of coast of

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alaska

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a brightly glowing reddish orange

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elliptical object about 70 feet in

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diameter the merged off port bow the

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ship's crew witnessed it

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and then it shot straight up into space

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the radar operator tracked the blips

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going over 7000 miles per hour this was

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a secret classified priority message

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authenticated going the chief naval

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operations in washington dc

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um i was only like you know 20 21 years

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old

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yeah when when that was happening

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uh and so it kind of put a seed in my

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mind

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about uh

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what was that you know it was like uh

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you know only thing i remember about

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flying saucers is uh you know the day

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there stood still and forbidden planet

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and things like that of the 50s when i

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was a kid

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so

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um

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of experiences

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you know i've seen them fly like 100

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feet over my head

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and it was either you know it's either

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theirs or ours one of the two i don't

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have any idea

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um just that it was quiet and it was

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glowing and about 50-foot diameter disc

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um

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and uh

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oh back in the

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late 70s i had somewhat i guess you

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could call uh this is not really in the

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scientific area i guess

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but i had a sort of a paranormal et

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experience that had to do with uh

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consciousness and geometry and i didn't

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know anything about

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uh

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these subjects you know

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you had a what about consciousness and

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geometry

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it was a very unusual experience um

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it was like a kundalini opening

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experience and there was this being with

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a huge cranium and eyes and incredible

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energy and it was conveying

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uh telepathically uh

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something this is kind of in the uh the

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far

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listeners probably you know tune out on

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this stuff you know no no not on my show

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and i'll tell you why because i

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absolutely believe that we are dealing

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with all of us here that are fighting

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this battle with the ufo community and

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the consciousness and the and all the

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conspiracies and you know all the stuff

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all the awakened people that i've met

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have had that exact experience i mean

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it's it's very common

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especially for contactees abductees and

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even what i call the the communicators

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which i think

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you were one of the communicators

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because you're dealing with an a higher

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higher higher dimensional being

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that is giving you this kind of

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information and what's so bizarre about

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that is if you go to the rental shop

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incident they were giving them

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information like that if you go to dan

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sherman's account they were giving him

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information you go to all these accounts

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of like kind of like long-term training

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contact at some point during the contact

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they are downloaded with this geometric

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or numbers or geometry or language

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of another

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species of content i mean of

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being and i in my opinion is they're

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just a very high dimensional being and

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like maybe they're only like two steps

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over in a parallel dimension and they're

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communicating with us

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but they're not communicating with

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everybody so you know i think it's very

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special that this this being talked to

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you or communicated telepathically and

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made this impression upon you do you

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have any idea what it was he gave you

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and if you've ever used it since then or

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if it's just sitting there in your mind

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well

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you know what was unusual about it you

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know this is like it was like this is

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1977 i believe um

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the uh i had what's called like a

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kundalini where you have like millions

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of volts feeling going through your

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hands and your feet

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yeah almost as though they wanted to

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raise my frequency up in order to give

546
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,600
me like a little bit of a trickle

547
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,080
download you know from their level

548
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,640
uh exactly that's exactly what it is by

549
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,880
the way that from all of us that have

550
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,120
had the experience we've all determined

551
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,000
that so go ahead you're that's perfect

552
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,280
you know i'm still

553
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:17,120
to this day

554
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,480
i'm still

555
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,600
deciphering what was conveyed if you can

556
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:24,480
believe that you know here

557
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,240
here's 2017 you know um so anyway they

558
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,559
make a long story short um

559
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,039
the being projected in in space the

560
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,600
sphere and as i watched this you know a

561
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,640
globe uh and as i looked at the globe

562
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:40,799
the first thing i saw was and i didn't

563
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:44,080
you know let me preface and say i have

564
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,919
never had geometry in high school or

565
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,240
studied geometry i didn't know what the

566
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,120
platonic solids were and that geometries

567
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,679
fit into the other into each other i

568
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,280
didn't have any of this background i

569
00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:59,919
didn't even you know

570
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,039
have any idea of sacred geometry

571
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,320
and so uh what the being projected was

572
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,960
this fear and as i watched the sphere

573
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,799
had like a

574
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,120
six-pointed star configuration could be

575
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,200
like a star tetrahedron

576
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,440
uh and then another geometry fit in with

577
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:19,360
that one and then another one fit into

578
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,120
that one and it just kept on going into

579
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,320
infinity

580
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:26,960
and then exactly i've seen the exact

581
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,240
things i know you're talking about yep

582
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,799
and then it uh turned back into the

583
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,600
perfect sphere and this is you know this

584
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,640
is not scientific uh but on but what the

585
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,280
being was conveying that uh the

586
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:43,600
consciousness that each one of us are on

587
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,880
is like resonating within the sphere all

588
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,440
the harmonics all the vibrations all

589
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:51,840
all the frequencies exist

590
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,600
and uh at any particular point uh you're

591
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:58,240
resonating on a particular frequency and

592
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:01,600
you can become aware of the sub-levels

593
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,640
within that sphere but not of the upper

594
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,679
levels

595
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,520
and that

596
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:09,039
through love

597
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:13,039
uh we evolve from one level into the

598
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:14,400
next level

599
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,280
and

600
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,840
you know all this uh you know just was

601
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,720
like

602
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,039
i mean the being had these even the

603
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:22,799
intensity was

604
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,919
highly intense to put it mildly and yeah

605
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,240
it was like but loving it was like a lot

606
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,240
of love coming out yeah

607
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,440
uh

608
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,679
and so you know this left a burning

609
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:35,840
desire in me so i started grabbing every

610
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,880
book i could on the subject matter

611
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,120
and all of a sudden i said oh my god

612
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,360
look at that you know it's like yeah one

613
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,200
fits into the other just like that and i

614
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:48,400
said wow this is some kind of

615
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,919
some kind of clue to the understanding

616
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,200
the matrix in which we are in

617
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,720
and so

618
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,760
at the time um

619
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:02,880
let's see a few years went by uh i i

620
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,919
sought out i knew that uh crystalline

621
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,520
materials and there's always you know

622
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,760
folklore of uh

623
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,559
you know crystals and things and with

624
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,039
cultures that are widely separated

625
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,960
totally different and they all have

626
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,679
these similar attributes that they the

627
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,720
spiritual so quote-unquote attributes

628
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,039
which is basically you know something

629
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,039
scientific that they haven't uh figured

630
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,679
out yet you know but but they they have

631
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,559
these folklore about it and so

632
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,960
uh i knew that the courts had something

633
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:37,039
to do you know the quartz crystal

634
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:40,799
um and i knew dr marcel vogel

635
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,070
on this project he was still working for

636
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:47,520
ibm

637
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,320
and uh so i i drove up to his place it

638
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,559
was like in the middle of a storm

639
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,360
uh

640
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:57,760
from san diego up to san jose and

641
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,559
knocked on his door late at night and i

642
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,919
uh

643
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,440
he invited me in

644
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,320
and um well now see right there the

645
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,159
first time you told me the story i just

646
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,919
kind of laughed and then now that you're

647
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,480
saying it again i was like dude this

648
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,799
guy's like letting a stranger in that

649
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,559
just knocks on his door

650
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,200
i called him up first of course oh good

651
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,120
good i forgot to ask that the first time

652
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,120
i tried trying to make the make the

653
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,320
story short you know oh okay all right

654
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:28,000
sorry i just was laughing because i

655
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,360
thought jeez you know it's the second

656
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:30,960
time i've heard him say he just shows up

657
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,360
on this guy's door and he lets him in

658
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:35,039
i'm like okay

659
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,400
cool okay

660
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,120
i sat down on this couch with a doctor

661
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,960
that was visiting hound

662
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,720
and i turned off all lights played

663
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,320
classical music what seemed like for

664
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,480
half an hour you know beautiful piece of

665
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,720
classical music and i i said you know i

666
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,799
heard i heard about your work you know

667
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:52,960
i'm fascinated you know because here he

668
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,600
is a full-on scientist he's like ibm's

669
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,880
head scientist he had like 140 patents

670
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,279
he uh developed the magnetic coating for

671
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,679
hard drives the color phosphors for

672
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,000
color television the red and blue ones

673
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,840
uh liquid crystals i mean incredible

674
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,640
genius uh yeah

675
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,039
and so i uh

676
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,640
you know he and the first thing he said

677
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,400
for

678
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,679
it's kind of hot he says you're from

679
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,440
another planet aren't you and i said

680
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,440
well i don't know about that you know i

681
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,440
said but i'm fascinated about your work

682
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:24,880
and what you're doing

683
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,240
and so a while went by a knock came on

684
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,320
the door this woman

685
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,240
he was working with

686
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,679
working with some people and some

687
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,679
doctors local doctors

688
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,360
using a

689
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,080
technique he was using with a crystal

690
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,320
and so she heard about that and she had

691
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,000
a daughter that had this tumor that was

692
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,679
about about about half an inch or so

693
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,919
protruding on her ankle

694
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,400
and so he did the first he did this

695
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,559
procedure in front of us uh from the

696
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,559
doctor and i sitting on the couch

697
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,520
uh

698
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,640
you know using using breath and

699
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,039
uh a whole procedure that he did with

700
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,400
the crystal

701
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,679
and

702
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,720
in front of us uh the tumor

703
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:11,520
physically demateralized

704
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:12,240
so

705
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,000
wow

706
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,679
some kind of he's he's tapped into

707
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:20,559
uh

708
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,919
crystalline form that

709
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,000
what he did was he took you know the the

710
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,159
crystals they normally go in the caves

711
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,880
and takes you know millions of years you

712
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,559
know to form these things

713
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:36,960
um and they grow you know in any drink

714
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,919
they all dr grow with uh

715
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,080
in vortexes they're like they left and

716
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,840
right-handed spirals and they grow

717
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,039
according to

718
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,880
nature you know whatever is in the area

719
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,640
in the magnetic fields and everything so

720
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,400
they're just kind of wild but they but

721
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,440
they all grow in a 52 degree angle the

722
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,200
same as a great pyramid in egypt which

723
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,799
relates to the golden mean and all that

724
00:28:00,830 --> 00:28:00,000
yeah but

725
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:00,840
but

726
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,200
um what uh he did was he had this his

727
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,000
vision this dream uh he wanted to make

728
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,640
it more after he had an experience and

729
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,399
making a long story short you know this

730
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,159
this all came out of

731
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,159
plant communication because he was

732
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,919
written in the right

733
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:20,080
secret life of plants

734
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,200
yeah

735
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,520
he had a creativity course he had about

736
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,840
30 engineers he had to do this course

737
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,080
for he read about cleve baxter as a

738
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,640
polygraph expert for the cia and thought

739
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,080
about the plants you know the guy comes

740
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,880
in trashes the plants leaves and the guy

741
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,640
and other people come in nothing happens

742
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,000
that same guy that trashed the plants

743
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,520
comes back in the room and and the

744
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,880
script chart you know it goes off the

745
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,279
scale you know so exactly yeah hey you

746
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,520
know what with that dan we gotta take

747
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,520
our first break can you see how fast

748
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,240
this is gonna go oh my god okay folks

749
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,240
stick around dan willis is with us

750
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,240
tonight he's got all kinds of areas

751
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,320
we're gonna cover all the way from the

752
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,320
secret life of plants to i think the

753
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:00,480
secret life of extraterrestrials who

754
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,190
welcome back everyone to the california

755
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,520
mufon radio show i'm your host lauren

756
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:11,679
fenton and i'm here tonight with dan

757
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,840
willis and dan do you have a website

758
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:17,840
yeah um it's uh

759
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,669
and do you have any books for sale do

760
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,440
you have anything people can come buy

761
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,240
from you or or you know do we think we

762
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,960
just get your knowledge on radio shows

763
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,159
what uh

764
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,159
what i decided i even paid for my own

765
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,880
way to go to washington to testify

766
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:43,760
uh back in 2001 the national press club

767
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:46,559
i have never made one penny or never

768
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,679
planned to uh on any of this stuff

769
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,799
because it

770
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,799
people associate look what's going on

771
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,760
with corey good you know i know i know

772
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,760
so i don't want to associate anything

773
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,720
that i have to say with making any money

774
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,720
uh everything's free yeah

775
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,279
i agree and if it wasn't for my cats i

776
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,840
wouldn't be asking for a dime honestly i

777
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,080
just you know i get really uptight when

778
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,240
my living situation gets all

779
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,200
whacked out and i can't handle it so but

780
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,960
yeah it's really about the cats for me

781
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,279
at this point so but anyhow let's get

782
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,799
back to marshall vogel now they can

783
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,320
visit your site and they can get

784
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,080
inspired oh you know what they can get

785
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:26,720
at your site that i discovered in our

786
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,200
last conversation was they could

787
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:31,120
actually listen to

788
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,279
a bob lazar in 1993 i think it was where

789
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,039
you snuck a camera into the event

790
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,480
it is

791
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,669
that was his first uh yeah he um

792
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,640
they were everybody was told no audio no

793
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:52,559
video recording but

794
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:56,399
daddy where do babies come from uh well

795
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,159
uh honey mommy went to the store oh well

796
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,320
you see um well there's a mommy and a

797
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,159
daddy right right and see when they call

798
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,320
geico uh they could save a bunch of

799
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,640
money on car insurance oh really and

800
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:12,559
that makes them happy yes that makes

801
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,679
them very happy that's good yeah well

802
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:16,880
i'm glad we could have this talk

803
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,159
sunshine geico because saving 15 or more

804
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,000
on car insurance is always the great

805
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,480
answer oh i had it sitting in the front

806
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,399
row and i couldn't resist and so i

807
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,080
recorded the whole thing

808
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,480
uh it wasn't for you recording that we

809
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,399
wouldn't have it right now so thank god

810
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:34,720
you did

811
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,880
yeah norio kawa who co-sponsored at

812
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,559
that event um

813
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,120
he was like so grateful thank you you

814
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,559
know after

815
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,840
i thought i was going to be in trouble

816
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,679
you know it's like oh you

817
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,840
you broke you broke your promise not to

818
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,720
record it you know sometimes uh you know

819
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,120
uh people need the information you know

820
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,360
that's my feeling on it you know freedom

821
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,360
needs information needs to be shared

822
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,480
freely

823
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,159
and uh

824
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,080
you know and like you were saying

825
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,799
earlier in the show you know we're in a

826
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,760
uh

827
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,399
a perception matrix that is very

828
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,760
complicated

829
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,240
and there's a lot of disinformation and

830
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,559
a lot of things are uh

831
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,559
engineered around us to keep us in this

832
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:20,640
truman show like you mentioned

833
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,159
uh of information and and we all need

834
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,080
as much information freely and as

835
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,120
uh as much of it as possible to try to

836
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,519
sort this whole uh

837
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,159
illusion absolutely from fact

838
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,640
yep that's the problem and you know well

839
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,640
we'll get into that later too

840
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,720
yeah so before we

841
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,000
get too far

842
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,720
away from uh marcel vogel

843
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,480
uh you were just talking about the plant

844
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,000
guy the guy that came in and destroyed

845
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,519
the plants and that's right right the

846
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,919
poor plants went crazy and i don't feel

847
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,640
i felt so bad for them anyhow go ahead

848
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,799
well i'll make i'll make this fast yeah

849
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,720
uh basically how to do a creativity

850
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,039
course at ibm for these engineers and

851
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,799
he's reading the article and was in fate

852
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,799
magazine or something and and he just

853
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,960
crumpled it up and threw it in the trash

854
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,640
and said this is this is stupid this is

855
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,120
garbage and he thought no this might be

856
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,279
a great thing for the engineers for

857
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,679
creativity you know and so we uh hooked

858
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,360
up a splitly pillow dream during that

859
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:20,799
his laboratory

860
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,679
and he um

861
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,320
he lit a match and he burned the leaf

862
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:29,120
and you know it squiggled right on the

863
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:30,399
script chart

864
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,279
and

865
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:34,640
as soon as the thought formed in his

866
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,519
mind

867
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,600
that is going to burn it again

868
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,880
it's squiggled

869
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:41,120
he said that squiggle changed his entire

870
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,000
life

871
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,440
that's right

872
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,519
he then found that

873
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:47,679
he could tune into the plant

874
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,440
and do it from across the lavatory

875
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,200
and caused it to squiggle he did it from

876
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,679
seven miles away with his colleague

877
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,120
and

878
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,600
it squiggled fourteen miles away it

879
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,279
squiggled and then he went all the way

880
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,640
on the other side of the planet the prop

881
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,279
czechoslovakia and set it up and it

882
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,279
squiggled showing he said

883
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,200
it shows that the inverse square law of

884
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,280
distance doesn't apply with the the

885
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:13,599
energies of thought and mind

886
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,320
um and so anyway long story short uh

887
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,119
he uh he was doing a talk about the

888
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,800
plants and stuff and a lady said oh you

889
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,560
got to check out this crystal and then

890
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:25,760
he

891
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,760
um

892
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,639
and

893
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,159
but he was able he was studying

894
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,639
pramayama yoga

895
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,520
the with the breath he found that

896
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,000
when he pulsed his breath using the

897
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,720
yogic principles uh he had a much

898
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,800
greater profound effect on the scripture

899
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:46,000
recorder

900
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,839
so

901
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:49,919
um it was a co-worker wait wait wait i'm

902
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,639
sorry i don't get that he

903
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,520
when he was he he had a um

904
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,680
a monitor on himself

905
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,040
at that point no

906
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,440
the script chart recorder is you know

907
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,240
measuring the plant's reaction right

908
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,880
oh i okay so

909
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,599
the plant reacts that the pin that's

910
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,560
going on this rolling paper uh

911
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,240
wiggles that this is what they didn't

912
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,800
have this is you know what

913
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,720
19 uh

914
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,320
you know it was

915
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,960
primitive stuff back then um we don't

916
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,040
have the new technology we have that's

917
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,200
much more digital and everything

918
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:29,040
um

919
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,880
so basically uh he worked with a crystal

920
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,800
and he found out he could actually pulse

921
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,160
his breath and

922
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,040
this person who we worked with at ibm

923
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,440
he was able to alleviate a back plane

924
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,359
back pain that he was in

925
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,720
having and then he tried to figure out

926
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,520
well how to make this more

927
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,359
precise

928
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,440
more um

929
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,119
you know more of a scientific thing than

930
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,960
you know just taking a regular crystal

931
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,960
like you know native americans do and

932
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,800
what not

933
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,960
and so we have this vision and the dream

934
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,760
of a dipyramidal you know in other words

935
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,040
a crystal

936
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,760
that has a pyramid on both ends cut to

937
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,440
specific

938
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,000
angles and geometry that was similar to

939
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,320
the tree of life and the kabbalah

940
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,920
where you have you know

941
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,839
one ends the universal side the other

942
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,000
side's like the manifest side

943
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:22,960
uh the male and female so to speak

944
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,400
uh and so he started cutting these uh

945
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,720
these crystals and

946
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,800
working with two dozen medical doctors i

947
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,720
went to the mines in arkansas and got

948
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,480
them like thousands of crystals for the

949
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,000
laboratory

950
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,680
um

951
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,000
you know the ibm gave them the electron

952
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,400
microscope i helped set up

953
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,240
you know spectrophotometers and things

954
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,560
in the laboratory we found that we could

955
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,240
pulse the breath and it would change the

956
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,680
valence bands

957
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,200
in the uh

958
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,200
you know in in the water

959
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:55,200
we were working with both the substance

960
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,200
of quartz and of water both have an

961
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:01,760
interesting and usual properties of this

962
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,550
some of the interesting things uh

963
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,040
that was done was uh

964
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,680
there was this california winery that

965
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,920
had this kind of rotgut wine

966
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,440
that um

967
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,040
he was able to take this crystal and

968
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,359
circulate the wine with seven right hand

969
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,680
turns around the wine

970
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,800
and

971
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,800
put the vibrational essence of a highly

972
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,440
refined wine into this crystal

973
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,000
and what would happen is it would be

974
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,480
almost like an electrical induction into

975
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,800
the water that or of the wine you know

976
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,480
everything everything

977
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,200
we're made up of water you know

978
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,599
and restructured thousands of gallons it

979
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:50,160
became a california award-winning wine

980
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,280
but you know how are you going to say

981
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,960
you know oh well this has been crystal

982
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,960
enhanced so you know it really didn't

983
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,040
you know work out that well but let me

984
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,560
ask you something about that because the

985
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,000
first time you told me that story i

986
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,760
thought about it afterwards and i

987
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,560
thought

988
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,560
is he

989
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,200
he's changing the wine i get this

990
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,640
and he's going seven times around how

991
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,640
does he know what frequency he's

992
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,640
actually putting into the wine does he

993
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,320
has he already measured it does he know

994
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,960
what it is he's doing ahead of time or

995
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,839
is this just a haphazard guest and he

996
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:23,839
was lucky

997
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,920
no he used uh he used a number of uh

998
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,160
different tools you know he used

999
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,880
radionic instrument which is you know

1000
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,800
you know for you know some scientists

1001
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,800
that's like woo-woo stuff right you know

1002
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:38,880
but he was able to uh transfer

1003
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,680
vibrational essences i wasn't involved

1004
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,760
in that part of the research so i don't

1005
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,920
have a lot of details the part of the

1006
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,560
research i was more involved with was

1007
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:51,119
a camera that came out of

1008
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:54,640
1950s england called the delaware camera

1009
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,480
which could take photographs of people

1010
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,560
wherever they are in the universe

1011
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,880
regardless of time and space

1012
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,760
uh

1013
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,040
and wow

1014
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,280
okay that was an interesting one because

1015
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,119
it was patented by the european patent

1016
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,079
office uh we brought it over had a hell

1017
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,800
of a time getting it through uh customs

1018
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,040
and so wait when you just said that

1019
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,040
you're you're saying to me that

1020
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,640
you have a camera

1021
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:23,040
and i'm holding on to it here in in

1022
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,560
northern california

1023
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,280
and i take a picture and i just think

1024
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,520
about you where you're at and i can

1025
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,200
develop no no no no

1026
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,720
let me explain

1027
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,400
okay

1028
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,240
oh by the way i made a website with

1029
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,400
photographs and links to the patent

1030
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,359
office and and some actual photographs

1031
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:43,599
george and marjorie delaware back in the

1032
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:47,920
50s made thousands of these photographs

1033
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,880
one example is uh this instrument stood

1034
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:54,000
about oh about five and a half feet tall

1035
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:55,280
it had

1036
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,960
beautifully machined uh

1037
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,760
dials uh i made a website

1038
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480
marcelvogel.org

1039
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,400
which you know has a lot of these lab

1040
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,560
notes and and pictures of the delaware

1041
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,079
camera and things

1042
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,320
uh for example this one woman was

1043
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:16,960
pregnant she was about 50 miles away

1044
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,920
uh now i've worked um

1045
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,839
to design and built and

1046
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,400
worked with and reverse engineered some

1047
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:27,040
different radionic instruments or

1048
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,079
you know some people call them

1049
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:29,760
psychotronic or whatever you know this

1050
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,960
is this stuff goes back to ancient egypt

1051
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,520
it's basically a tuning focus for the

1052
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,440
mind

1053
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,200
and what uh

1054
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,880
what he was able to do in this one

1055
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,280
photograph you can see on the website

1056
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,560
is

1057
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:47,520
all these instruments uh

1058
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:52,000
you have dials that turn into specific

1059
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,119
uh

1060
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,119
what is called rates or

1061
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:57,520
vibrational frequency that's it's

1062
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,280
it's related to uh this angular

1063
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,280
resonance and this was the only

1064
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,640
instrument that

1065
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,839
was able to have a time spiral in it

1066
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,440
that was able to move backwards and

1067
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,440
forwards into time

1068
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:12,480
and

1069
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,440
he was able to

1070
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,960
look at different levels of the

1071
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,119
pregnancy different levels of gestation

1072
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,800
of uh

1073
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,119
you know the fetus and the mother

1074
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,200
um we were trying to bring in and i was

1075
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,359
working with two other scientists that

1076
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,640
uh

1077
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,359
were figuring this thing out trying to

1078
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,319
bring it into you know uh it was at the

1079
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,040
time the early 1980s trying to bring it

1080
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:39,920
into current technology you know taking

1081
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,599
the principles at work sure sure um

1082
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,440
so anyway it was a really fascinating

1083
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,520
project but it does

1084
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,440
the very fact that that instrument

1085
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,680
worked kind of proves the holographic

1086
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,680
nature of the universe

1087
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,000
because you can take a drop of blood or

1088
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,400
a hair or you know like like in voodoo

1089
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,240
right

1090
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,839
and it's like a holographic

1091
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,680
representation of the hole in that

1092
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,240
person you can tune to them uh this

1093
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,240
thing would start oscillating you'd line

1094
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,520
it up with magnetic north it had a

1095
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,000
cavity above that have these reflective

1096
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,520
lenses

1097
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,760
that would reflect back onto a

1098
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,680
photographic plate which the silver

1099
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,800
emotion

1100
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,520
on the photograph would react to these

1101
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,079
energies in three different axises that

1102
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,000
was coming up but anyway that goes into

1103
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,079
a into a

1104
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:32,000
that's very interesting because now

1105
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,599
you're telling me okay let me see if i

1106
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,760
get this right you're using some kind of

1107
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,160
tissue sample from the person

1108
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,839
exactly uh

1109
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,160
they were yeah like a drop of blood or

1110
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,200
you know uh anything that acts as what's

1111
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,200
called you know a witness is what it's

1112
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,480
called

1113
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,079
interesting

1114
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,680
and they could go through all different

1115
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,400
their past their future their now and

1116
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,280
get a picture of them an actual no not

1117
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,359
exactly uh what you would do is a tune

1118
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,760
in you tune into a specific aspect like

1119
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,520
say um

1120
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,200
you want to tune into that person's

1121
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:10,000
liver or their heart or whatever you

1122
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:10,839
know

1123
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,640
uh i gotcha okay because when you set a

1124
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,599
camera i'm thinking picture pictures

1125
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,400
no it's a different kind of camera and

1126
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,200
then unlike any camera you've ever seen

1127
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,200
you know oh wow

1128
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,040
but uh yeah you could check it out i

1129
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,880
took a number of photographs of the of

1130
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,800
the whole instrument and set up and

1131
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,319
everything i don't know where it's at

1132
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,359
now but it was some one of several

1133
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,040
versions he made it was one of the later

1134
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,880
versions that the

1135
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,440
delaware made in the 1950s you know this

1136
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:44,319
is an old ancient science you know uh

1137
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:45,200
you know

1138
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:49,520
association they

1139
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,839
deal with that anyway um

1140
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,359
uh so

1141
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,119
so yeah this is this is really

1142
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,640
intriguing so you're working with this

1143
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,200
guy marcel vogel he's a doctor he's a

1144
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,880
scientist he's doing all this crazy

1145
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,920
research

1146
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,760
what happened

1147
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,680
to all of his research is it kind of

1148
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,599
like tesla where it all disappeared when

1149
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,640
he died

1150
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,560
who's got it all now

1151
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,760
uh well i i've got a lot of videos of

1152
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,240
him lecturing i have a lot of

1153
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:21,440
data a lot of scientific lab notes and

1154
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:24,079
stuff like that uh

1155
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,480
you know on

1156
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,160
marcelvogel.org you know that you know

1157
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,160
people can check out his work i just put

1158
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,599
it up there just for

1159
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:34,480
you know people who are interested in

1160
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,359
uh

1161
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,119
you know for some reason are drawn to

1162
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,119
understand that type of work and want to

1163
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,160
see more of a relationship my

1164
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,280
my curiosity is the relationship of the

1165
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,520
interface geometrically

1166
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:50,960
of of mind you know energies of mind and

1167
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,160
consciousness with the geometry there

1168
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:57,760
seems to be some form of

1169
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,880
angular harmonic resonance going on like

1170
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,359
say between some of the lab work we we

1171
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,720
found that

1172
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,359
in the quartz as we mentioned earlier it

1173
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,800
has a uh intermolecular angle of 52

1174
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,480
degrees you know the same as the great

1175
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,800
pyramid as we mentioned

1176
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,240
in water

1177
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:19,280
the intermolecular bonding angle

1178
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:22,400
of of water ends up at

1179
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:27,839
uh what is it uh 26 and a half and

1180
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,839
is that right no no it's 26 and

1181
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,680
104 and a half or something like that

1182
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,720
anyway if you take 52 and you go divide

1183
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,599
by two and you go times two in other

1184
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,480
words the sub harmonic and the second

1185
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:43,680
harmonic

1186
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:47,760
of that so what's happening is there's a

1187
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:48,480
an

1188
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,280
know like when you have two tuning forks

1189
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,400
uh

1190
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,880
if you have if you have like one tuning

1191
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,359
fork let's say it's at 400

1192
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,960
cycles let's say

1193
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,079
uh

1194
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,160
if you go bong

1195
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,599
it will have harmonics that will end up

1196
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,880
in like on 200 and one at 800 you know

1197
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,119
twice and half to well

1198
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,560
it seems that the laws of uh

1199
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,520
resonance happen angularly as well

1200
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,240
uh you know when they did the deep core

1201
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,640
samples in antarctica to look at water

1202
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,319
they found that

1203
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,440
in water is displayed all the major

1204
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,599
geometries of the seven major classes of

1205
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:32,960
geometries in other words it's a

1206
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,319
universal resonator uh the the molecular

1207
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,680
structure of water resonates universally

1208
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,839
you know it is like mirrors whatever

1209
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,440
you're thinking whatever is there it

1210
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,599
resonates exactly and isn't that what a

1211
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,480
lot of what uh the japanese um well i

1212
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,720
can't remember his name dr emoto thank

1213
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,720
you emoto he did

1214
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,920
amazing research around that and oh my

1215
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,240
god it just yeah it really i think at

1216
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,839
home and this is way before dr emoto

1217
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,839
exactly that's why i'm kind of freaking

1218
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,839
out here because it's like how come we

1219
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,520
never heard about all this i mean i

1220
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,000
heard about vogels and his crystals but

1221
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,920
i never heard about the camera or the

1222
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,119
water

1223
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,880
yeah yeah we'll go check out

1224
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,560
martialvogel.org

1225
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,520
uh the whole thing oh thank god thank

1226
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,040
god you've got that

1227
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,359
yeah yeah i needed to do a brain dump on

1228
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:24,800
that you know so i had to create a

1229
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,560
website you know i was like i have all

1230
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,160
this stuff in my head you know it's like

1231
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,680
god i gotta share it you know so i gotta

1232
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,200
put it up there on the web

1233
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,480
um

1234
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,599
his his

1235
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,839
his research is something that's going

1236
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,800
to be recognized in the in the future

1237
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,280
uh you know because he was on it's kind

1238
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,000
of on a leading edge of uh

1239
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,640
understanding some of these principles

1240
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:49,760
uh like say when we uh

1241
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,200
you know with uh with these doctors and

1242
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,680
things i mean amazing healing things

1243
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,240
happen even when he cut one crystal as a

1244
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,839
gift for me and i remember getting on

1245
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,480
the plane flying back to san diego

1246
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,000
and uh

1247
00:48:08,109 --> 00:48:05,599
there's this football player sitting

1248
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,119
next to me and he's holding his knee in

1249
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,440
excruciating pain and he had operations

1250
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:12,960
and i'm just thinking you know wow i've

1251
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,560
been given a gift

1252
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,800
and i've been you know he

1253
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,480
trained in you know the procedures that

1254
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,520
he shared with me and so i said look i'm

1255
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,599
i'm not a doctor or anything i'm sort of

1256
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,160
an experimental scientist you know

1257
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,319
uh but if you'd like you know we can try

1258
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:30,240
some ex

1259
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,200
if you want you know so i

1260
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,800
i worked on him with the that was the

1261
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,480
first time i used it

1262
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,640
uh with the technique that marcel showed

1263
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,680
me

1264
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,599
and he got off the plane and he was

1265
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,520
walking fine and he

1266
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,200
met his parents and he pointed at me

1267
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,400
that guy

1268
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,680
he fixed my leg you know so i was you

1269
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,680
know i'm not like a big heel or anything

1270
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,599
like that i was more of a i'm more

1271
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,599
interested in principles and the science

1272
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,760
behind it

1273
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,920
i was so grateful that you know the

1274
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:03,440
principles worked

1275
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,480
um isn't that amazing okay so now um

1276
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,720
so you did all this work with him

1277
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,040
how did you apply it to your life or did

1278
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,040
you do anything with it i understand

1279
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,800
what you just said

1280
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,400
so you did start a healing practice you

1281
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,800
didn't do any of that did you did you

1282
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,720
spread the word far and wide about what

1283
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:25,119
he has accomplished i mean i mean is it

1284
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:26,559
just kind of like it all just kind of

1285
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,400
died i i did in a way and that i invited

1286
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,960
him i had him uh do a number of lectures

1287
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,760
in

1288
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:36,559
san diego to hundreds of people

1289
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,400
i uh i only charged uh not like the

1290
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,240
mufon conference i only charged five

1291
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,599
bucks ahead

1292
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,240
you know but uh but this was you know in

1293
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,319
the early 80s you know because like five

1294
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,480
bucks is probably what 150 bucks

1295
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:51,599
nowadays

1296
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,480
um

1297
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,480
probably and uh

1298
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,240
i uh

1299
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,319
you know i've used it you know maybe 200

1300
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,520
times had amazing uh amazing success

1301
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,599
with a lot of the doctors had success

1302
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,640
with it

1303
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,280
uh doing different things i we're

1304
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,520
actually the billy meyer case as a lot

1305
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:12,880
of listeners are aware of when uh billy

1306
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,880
meyer gave the uh palladian uh metal and

1307
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,960
crystal samples we had a you know a

1308
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,839
full-on laboratory you know i mean this

1309
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,240
is wasn't a woo setup

1310
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,160
per se where we had like a lot of

1311
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,880
scientific equipment to measure things

1312
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,640
yeah let me interrupt for just one

1313
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,920
second we're going to take a break in

1314
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,680
about five minutes so let's get into

1315
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,520
this story but it's really fascinating

1316
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,040
but also

1317
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,640
i was gonna

1318
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,880
oh yes go ahead i was going to ask you

1319
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,200
was was wendell stevens part of the

1320
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,760
research with the crystals in the metal

1321
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,160
that billy had sent over because you

1322
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,319
know they vilified wendell and i'm just

1323
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:53,280
wondering if he was there for all that

1324
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,440
um yeah i i knew uh jim delatoso well

1325
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,000
back then um

1326
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:02,400
right i didn't interface with wendell

1327
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,680
stevens

1328
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,880
uh

1329
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,680
and

1330
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:06,960
uh

1331
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,359
have got i'm not sure

1332
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,720
if stevens or de la tozo gave uh marcel

1333
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,559
the samples but i remember handling them

1334
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,720
and looking at whoa wow from the ladies

1335
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,960
cool you know

1336
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,960
yeah

1337
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,319
and uh

1338
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,119
you know marcel founder was like a cold

1339
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,200
fusion process in

1340
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,119
how the metals were

1341
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,400
that couldn't be

1342
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:34,240
that we didn't know of any process here

1343
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,079
on earth so sort of validating uh you

1344
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,839
know the myers case but then myers case

1345
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,680
is an interesting one i don't know why

1346
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,920
well i still think that there's there's

1347
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,839
a lot of real stuff to it but i think

1348
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,440
later on there started being some

1349
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:49,359
fabrication because

1350
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,160
yes

1351
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:52,079
contact these aren't always contact

1352
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,599
these forever

1353
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,160
that's right yeah they're they're earth

1354
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,960
beings that that fabricate and mislead

1355
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,200
people sometimes yeah yeah and they only

1356
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,960
do it because they feel like they need

1357
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,520
to be you know that they were contacted

1358
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,440
once they had some extraordinary

1359
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,920
experiences and they're being forgotten

1360
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,839
and i get that you know

1361
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,520
i totally get it that i would never

1362
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,520
fabricate anything because i can't even

1363
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:17,680
you know i can barely talk about

1364
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,480
what he had was was mo incredible enough

1365
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,240
you know without uh

1366
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,839
you know uh

1367
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,640
pulling anything else but yeah

1368
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,800
so anyway i'm not

1369
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,119
sure that the people over in switzerland

1370
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,079
that became his you know posse

1371
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,920
weren't fabricating quite a bit of it

1372
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,359
too so

1373
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,280
you know it's hard to say but so wendell

1374
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,240
never really was there della tostos was

1375
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,800
the man who was going between you and

1376
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,480
marshall marcel

1377
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:49,920
and um mufon basically because wasn't

1378
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,359
wendell um trying to break open the case

1379
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,680
for oh yeah yeah he was a major real or

1380
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,559
not

1381
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,640
yeah he was the lead researcher on the

1382
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,400
case

1383
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,319
yeah and

1384
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,319
i thought his conclusion was right

1385
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,520
before

1386
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,520
he was going to tell mufon you know this

1387
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,520
is definitely real this is you know who

1388
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,520
knows what's happening now but this

1389
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,520
contact was real

1390
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:15,040
and that's when the whole case happened

1391
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,400
with the girl in the hot tub if i

1392
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,920
remember correctly

1393
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,480
and then he got right

1394
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,640
yeah it got set up

1395
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,359
yep yep set up again just like everybody

1396
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,359
else

1397
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,359
yeah but i i was pretty sure that that

1398
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,359
whole incident happened because he was

1399
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,000
going to come out to mufan and say yeah

1400
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,839
the billy mayor case is real at least to

1401
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,880
a point

1402
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:38,400
you know

1403
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:42,800
that right

1404
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:43,599
i

1405
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,319
everybody who does come out and do you

1406
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,920
know a lot of this stuff i'm not

1407
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,000
everybody because you're still here you

1408
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,599
know but um

1409
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,640
well since 2001 something's going on

1410
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:10,559
with the navy

1411
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,559
that uh with the white hats that uh

1412
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,480
you know let's just say i've heard that

1413
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,160
if anything happens to the witnesses

1414
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:20,000
there's going to be a long line of dead

1415
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,960
bodies because they know where the

1416
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,839
blackouts are

1417
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,359
um very interesting and you're talking

1418
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,160
about the witnesses that were at the um

1419
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,960
national press labs yeah right the uh

1420
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,280
you know one of the 20 top secret

1421
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,280
military witnesses that testified in

1422
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,200
2001

1423
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,839
at the national press club uh what

1424
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,319
happened was

1425
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,880
most of the witnesses have not had any

1426
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,440
uh i won't mention names but i know one

1427
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:50,000
of them has had you know situations

1428
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,119
happening

1429
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,599
but uh but for the most part most of the

1430
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,079
witnesses since that happened you know

1431
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,520
it's kind of interesting you were just

1432
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,559
at the

1433
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,119
secret space program you know tompkins

1434
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,520
you know was getting approval

1435
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,960
by admiral uh hugh webster

1436
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,520
right there were you saying uh bill you

1437
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,240
know uh don't leave anything out tell it

1438
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:14,160
all it's most important to our country

1439
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:14,960
you know

1440
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,520
and actually the whole disclosure

1441
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,920
project happened because another admiral

1442
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,400
in the navy uh the head of the joint

1443
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,559
chiefs of intelligence admiral tom

1444
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,599
wilson

1445
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,240
uh after what's kind of interesting is

1446
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,440
the uh

1447
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,280
the list of unacknowledged special

1448
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,359
access projects that

1449
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,119
came from a document

1450
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,119
yeah yes you know what hold your hold

1451
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,720
your thought

1452
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,640
remember we're at the document stage

1453
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,640
here we're going to take our break here

1454
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,720
it's nine o'clock at least it is here on

1455
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,280
the pacific coast of the united states

1456
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:51,359
so let's take that break folks we'll be

1457
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,470
welcome back everyone to the california

1458
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,799
mufon radio show i'm your host lorian

1459
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,680
fenton we're back and i just want to say

1460
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:05,760
i was able to do it i finally got the

1461
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:09,680
donate button up on lorien fenton.com

1462
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,280
and it is forward slash conferences and

1463
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,720
it can take you there let me see if the

1464
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,480
donate button actually works that's

1465
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,280
probably a good thing to check out um it

1466
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,000
doesn't seem to be working

1467
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:24,000
well i'll fix it by the end of the show

1468
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,440
right after the show's over i'll make

1469
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,920
sure it works right and get that in

1470
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,319
there but you can see it it just may not

1471
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,880
be connecting yet so as soon as i take

1472
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,960
care of that you guys will have a way to

1473
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,599
help the kitty cats and and keep us all

1474
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:39,040
going here we're gonna have a great

1475
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:43,040
party by the way if any of you are in

1476
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,720
the north bay of uh northern california

1477
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:48,319
and you want to come on down and have a

1478
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,760
great time we're going to start about

1479
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,440
four o'clock we're gonna go until 10 or

1480
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,240
11. we've got a sky watch we've got lots

1481
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,559
of people presenting that day for about

1482
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,760
20 minutes each then we have a whole

1483
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,359
bunch of people that we're gonna be

1484
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,760
skyping and talking to for about five or

1485
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,920
ten minutes each and what we're going to

1486
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,160
do is instead of them presenting or

1487
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,559
doing any type of presentation

1488
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,520
you

1489
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,319
as the person at the party get to ask

1490
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,880
them any questions you guys want so

1491
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,480
that's what we're gonna do

1492
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,319
so it should be a lot of fun and i

1493
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:22,160
really hope you can make it we're doing

1494
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,760
a potluck you're gonna have to sign up

1495
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,280
and bring some food

1496
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,040
and uh just hope you can make it you

1497
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,040
guys it'll be a lot of fun

1498
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,680
okay so back to our guest dan willis is

1499
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,079
with us yes

1500
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,000
there you are sweetie okay

1501
00:57:43,390 --> 00:57:38,319
so your website again is so people can

1502
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,400
follow along the webmatrix.net

1503
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,079
matrix.net we love that

1504
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,240
if you're interested in the uh

1505
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:50,880
exotic research of marcel vogel marcel

1506
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,000
vogel.org is a is another site you can

1507
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,400
you can check out but

1508
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,040
right now it's really cool okay anyhow

1509
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:00,559
back to what we were talking about the

1510
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,760
disclosure conference it was 2001

1511
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,640
washington dc at the national press club

1512
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,680
was organized by stephen greer himself

1513
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,400
and how many uh kind of whistleblowers

1514
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,799
were there for that event well we had

1515
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,040
20. um

1516
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:19,599
daniel morris kind of was 21. he kind of

1517
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,799
freaked out when he went in front of the

1518
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,400
mics that no people don't know about

1519
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,280
that they never saw it but uh who was

1520
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:27,040
who's that guy i don't even know who

1521
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,240
that is

1522
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,359
oh he was uh he was nro and he had a

1523
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,160
cosmic level and he was involved with

1524
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,400
teams that would intimidate people who

1525
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:39,200
saw things you know and and his name

1526
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,160
again

1527
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,160
uh daniel morris

1528
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:44,480
yeah marshall has to look him up he

1529
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,230
but you know the other witnesses uh i

1530
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,839
had you know one of the least

1531
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,839
spectacular testimonies about you know

1532
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,599
the glowing discs coming out of the

1533
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,599
oceans now apparently they have bases

1534
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:59,280
under the ocean or something going on

1535
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:00,079
there

1536
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,280
um

1537
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,720
but you know

1538
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,160
we had uh what uh

1539
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,240
we had a lot of people with with you

1540
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,319
know documented evidence and you know

1541
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:12,880
like john callahan you know cia swarmed

1542
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:16,079
the secrecy but he had all the radar and

1543
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,839
computer printouts and everything of

1544
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,119
this thing that was like what four or

1545
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,760
five times the size of 747.

1546
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,880
uh

1547
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,040
you know carl wolf based on the other

1548
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,799
side of the moon

1549
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,200
you know clifford stone 57 different

1550
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,559
species categorized by 1989 that he was

1551
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:34,880
involved in face-to-face interaction

1552
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,720
donna harrier brushing the ufos out

1553
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,359
you know nukes being shut down you know

1554
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,200
captain sallows you know on and on and

1555
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,240
on you know this amazing uh explosive

1556
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,599
testimonies of you know presidents cia

1557
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,839
directors being denied access that we

1558
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,480
have technologies that's the big one to

1559
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,400
me you know we've had technologies for

1560
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:58,640
over 70 years that we don't need

1561
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,319
uh nuclear oil or coal you know these

1562
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,960
are dangerous obsolete technologies that

1563
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,559
we've been kind of shoved down our

1564
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,160
throat for 70 years but captain uh

1565
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,400
we like mushrooms we're kept in the dark

1566
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,200
about everything i could do a whole show

1567
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,200
on that alone because i volunteered

1568
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:18,880
afterward after

1569
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,920
you know after i was on cnn cbs

1570
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,359
interviewed me and i said look i'm not

1571
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,880
doing this interview unless i can say we

1572
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:26,400
have the scientists willing to come

1573
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,920
forth in open congressional in these

1574
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,079
black projects that can prove you know

1575
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,680
put it on top of the desk and prove the

1576
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,160
thing running uh we have a solution

1577
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,240
that's non-polluting that can get us off

1578
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,319
nuclear rolling coal like a little 10

1579
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:40,799
second statement

1580
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,839
the producer was almost in tears uh she

1581
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,000
said i know i promise but the higher

1582
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:48,000
executives made me cut that part out and

1583
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,200
then

1584
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,720
you know that always kind of stuck with

1585
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,640
me why would

1586
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,599
the

1587
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,359
you know cbs

1588
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,599
cut out a statement that

1589
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,359
the world you know and this stuff this

1590
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,520
is back in 2001 we were having ruling

1591
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:03,680
blackouts in california

1592
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,559
air pollution problems crisis in the 70s

1593
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,480
was it 79.80

1594
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,960
oh had we've had all kinds of problems

1595
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,119
for 40 years are you kidding

1596
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,280
yeah yeah it wasn't you know it wasn't

1597
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,240
until you know i i went i was naive when

1598
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,559
i went to washington to testify each one

1599
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,079
of us by the way after we gave our

1600
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:23,920
testimony okay keep your eyes closed

1601
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,559
okay i want to show you my first ever

1602
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:28,880
painting all right okay

1603
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,440
open your eyes oh that's a lot of colors

1604
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:35,920
and shades so be honest what do you

1605
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,720
think well uh i like how

1606
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,240
if you switch to geico you could save

1607
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,000
hundreds of dollars on car insurance oh

1608
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,040
yeah that's that's true yeah here why

1609
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,280
don't i hold your paintbrush while you

1610
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,000
call them geico because saving 15 or

1611
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,079
more on car insurance is always a great

1612
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,640
answer said we are willing to testify on

1613
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,240
our oath you know before congress you

1614
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,599
know when we were

1615
01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:00,400
um but you know they did they did a

1616
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:03,040
limited hangout you know with cia calls

1617
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,640
you know they covered the event but it

1618
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,480
made it sound like oh we have a group

1619
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,240
wanting to have a congressional hearing

1620
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,079
on the reality of ufos which you know

1621
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,000
are not going to get anybody's attention

1622
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:16,950
well no you know

1623
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,520
the thing about it is and i say this all

1624
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,599
the time is i think you guys were

1625
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,839
15 years ahead of your time honest to

1626
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,640
god if it was 2016 and you've done this

1627
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,319
and you've done it at the right time at

1628
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,000
the right moment i think you guys would

1629
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,160
have had so much more traction because i

1630
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:33,839
think people are getting really hip to

1631
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,559
what's going on now so anyhow

1632
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,400
finally yeah you know it took me a while

1633
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,400
to you know it's it takes a while to

1634
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:42,799
wrap your head around this because it's

1635
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:45,040
a generational indoctrination you know

1636
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,720
when my father was watching walter

1637
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,400
cronkite on television

1638
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,240
you know i have no idea all this is

1639
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,480
controlled by the cia you know at the

1640
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:55,200
highest level i you know and i used to

1641
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,040
be an abc news man i was a chief

1642
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,559
engineer for the most powerful fm

1643
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,559
station on the on the west coast and

1644
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,799
used to do the abc news reports and i

1645
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,240
also worked

1646
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:06,240
for over 13 years in naval electronic

1647
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:07,440
engineering center on just about

1648
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,040
everything the navy had you know

1649
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,559
satellite equipment and all kinds of

1650
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:12,400
stuff so i had a good science background

1651
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,520
so i volunteered afterward to with these

1652
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,480
other

1653
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,039
uh i think there was six of us all

1654
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,039
together everybody had multiple phds

1655
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,119
except me and i we had a database of

1656
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,599
about 300 inventors and i

1657
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,200
flew around the planet with professor

1658
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,680
ted loiter meaning with these scientists

1659
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,760
that claim you know over unity you know

1660
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,440
zero point energy and i would go out

1661
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:35,280
there and vet these technologies you

1662
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,799
know because i have the background to do

1663
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:37,680
that

1664
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,240
seeing scientists getting murdered

1665
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,160
getting national security orders which

1666
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,880
is a secret system within the u.s patent

1667
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,559
office called sensitive application

1668
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:50,799
warning system anybody's got a solution

1669
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,599
to get off of uh any nuclear oral coal

1670
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:55,440
or efficient solar panels or

1671
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,720
anti-gravity or anything and

1672
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:58,799
automatically gets slapped with one of

1673
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,200
these things that says your in

1674
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,920
invention has been deemed to be a

1675
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:05,520
detriment to the national security of

1676
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,799
the united states therefore you cannot

1677
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,720
share it with anybody there are the six

1678
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,119
thousand not six thousand it's like five

1679
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,520
thousand seven hundred and something uh

1680
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:15,200
it was probably way over six thousand

1681
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,880
now uh you know solutions that have been

1682
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,119
suppressed uh using the national

1683
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,839
security apparatus uh

1684
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,680
to to keep us

1685
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:28,480
in this technologically [\h__\h] state

1686
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,640
but anyway i want to get back to

1687
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:31,599
uh

1688
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:47,760
classified advisory

1689
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,960
uh that uh was actually created at

1690
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,359
nellis air force base because of the

1691
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,880
exact same event that with noyo hawakawa

1692
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:58,799
and this other fellow i'm trying to

1693
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:02,400
remember his name gary gary something

1694
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:06,400
did it 91 and then i was there in 93

1695
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,599
with when bob lazar and uh

1696
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,400
john lear were there and and filmed that

1697
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,720
video on on the webmatrix.net you can

1698
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:16,680
see it in the

1699
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,839
1993 timeline i i had to and i had to

1700
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,240
try to figure this out for myself uh

1701
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:24,079
because

1702
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,119
uh

1703
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,359
well it was 93 and i can tell you how i

1704
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,079
know i listened to the whole thing and i

1705
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:32,079
called melinda leslie and i said hey

1706
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,520
melinda i heard your voice in the

1707
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:36,400
background in 1993 we think

1708
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:39,039
um at uh rachel nevada

1709
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,200
where bob lazar is outside underneath

1710
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,599
the sun i think she was there yeah

1711
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,680
or she was there you can't miss her

1712
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:47,760
voice my god dan she's in the back

1713
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,079
asking all the questions as usual you

1714
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,079
know melinda

1715
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,079
yeah yeah i was asking about the

1716
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,480
geometry of the craft and the that was

1717
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,720
you yeah yeah

1718
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:00,799
it was you and melinda were kind of like

1719
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,960
you know the main ringers there at this

1720
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,720
event you guys gotta listen to them i

1721
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:06,559
had some sharp people there you know

1722
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:09,599
they had about god yeah about a dozen or

1723
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:12,079
so people we set up a military they

1724
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,839
actually gave us some stuff from the

1725
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,319
base you know we were right outside area

1726
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,359
51 you know a little little alien uh

1727
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,160
setup up there

1728
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:25,200
but uh what what happened was um

1729
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:28,160
the nro classified advisory

1730
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,440
was listing all of these operations that

1731
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:33,599
was on the distribution list you know

1732
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,280
like cosmic ops magi ops you know uh

1733
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:40,160
you know how these different uh

1734
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,359
uh

1735
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,440
unacknowledged special access projects

1736
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,680
that when that was that list was

1737
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,599
presented to

1738
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:48,880
um

1739
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,599
uh admiral tom wilson who was head of

1740
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,280
intelligence of the joint chiefs of

1741
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,160
staff i mean that's pretty high up oh

1742
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:58,240
what are we talking about for this

1743
01:07:03,109 --> 01:06:59,599
because this

1744
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,119
97. this was 1997.

1745
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,200
this is before disclosure

1746
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,400
and so he tried to gain access

1747
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,720
to these projects and

1748
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,720
they said sir you do not have a need to

1749
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,559
know and he said hell i don't i'm the

1750
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,880
head of intelligence and they you know

1751
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,079
basically

1752
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,920
been disconnected so

1753
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,079
uh he was pissed

1754
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,079
and so um

1755
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,400
dr stephen greer with edgar mitchell the

1756
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,799
astronaut met with uh

1757
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,039
tom wilson and

1758
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,280
he said if you can gather people

1759
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,400
together who have information on this

1760
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,400
you have my permission to go to the

1761
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:41,039
media with this this group is quote

1762
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:44,559
illegal you know and this this stems all

1763
01:07:51,789 --> 01:07:48,160
the way back to you know um

1764
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,349
1993 when you know the lawrence

1765
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,240
rockefeller initiative yes you know and

1766
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:00,720
we all have seen the picture of linda

1767
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,920
molten howe and stephen greer and gosh a

1768
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,920
whole cast of characters that we know

1769
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:06,960
and love

1770
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:10,240
um with him on his deck i think out at

1771
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,039
the property of the rockefeller house

1772
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,680
right right yeah yeah lawrence was a

1773
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:17,600
little different uh vayne than the

1774
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:19,600
regular the rockefellers he wanted to

1775
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,199
see disclosure

1776
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,279
um unlike his

1777
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,920
rest of his family you know

1778
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:28,319
brothers and cousins and everybody else

1779
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,359
yeah right right so uh you know clinton

1780
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,199
was trying to get his you know unlike

1781
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:35,120
when he was on uh jimmy

1782
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,110
you know where he said oh yeah i sent my

1783
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,440
eights down there there was no aliens

1784
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,520
down there in area 51 well that's not

1785
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,000
really the full story he sent his cia

1786
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,560
director to try to gain information the

1787
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:54,880
cia director was denied access to the

1788
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,080
information and that's what connected uh

1789
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,080
he had a meeting with greer and greer

1790
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,679
brought a big stack of information he

1791
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,520
said i know the subject's real trying to

1792
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,040
figure out why the hell i can't get

1793
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,560
access to it well

1794
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:08,640
why the hell i can't gain access to it

1795
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,759
was you know uh eisenhower you know gave

1796
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,279
us some warning

1797
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,080
and uh tried you know the briefing

1798
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,960
kennedy and then ever since uh as edgar

1799
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,560
mitchell says ever since

1800
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,359
you know they they murdered kennedy they

1801
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,480
basically stopped briefing presidents so

1802
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,719
absolutely and let me i just want to

1803
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:30,880
throw a couple little uh anecdotal

1804
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,719
things that you did that i find very

1805
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:34,319
humorous about this whole story you're

1806
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,359
telling us

1807
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,239
is that in uh the x-files about the time

1808
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,960
that this general was about a year after

1809
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,679
the general did his thing and told you

1810
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,759
guys yeah here's my blessings go for it

1811
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,199
see if you can get people together and

1812
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,319
do it there's an x-files episode or it's

1813
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,080
a three-parter i can't remember where

1814
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,280
they go out to area 51 and time changes

1815
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,679
and a general has to bring them a

1816
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:59,440
general meets with them and he goes i

1817
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:01,840
thought you had the answer and sco and

1818
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,760
mulder says i thought you had the

1819
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,600
answers and they're all looking at each

1820
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:07,040
other like they're all you know it's

1821
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,400
like all disappointing because no one

1822
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,159
had the answers right

1823
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:12,960
and um so there's a great x-files

1824
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:15,360
episode that's kind of along that vein

1825
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,719
and then we also have um

1826
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,480
so many other

1827
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,880
different types of movies and books and

1828
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,280
i and my brain is settling on the sean

1829
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:26,960
david morton book

1830
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,080
of um sans of time where it talks about

1831
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,719
all these guys that actually ran the

1832
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:33,600
the

1833
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:35,920
magic 12 or whatever we want to call it

1834
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,199
that ran area 51 that were basically

1835
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,000
denying presidents the the ability to

1836
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,840
even know what was going on in their own

1837
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,920
country and

1838
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,880
yeah

1839
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,960
eisenhower was going to send the army to

1840
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,280
invade the place because he they were

1841
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:52,960
not letting him

1842
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,600
uh basically what happened was nelson

1843
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:57,360
rockefeller gave him plausible

1844
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,679
deniability at the same time our legal

1845
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:01,360
constitutional government ever since

1846
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,239
eisenhower got cut out and so you know

1847
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,920
that's when the meetings with kennedy

1848
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,920
and eisenhower were trying to figure out

1849
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:10,880
how to rein in the cia that

1850
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,750
i've always said now this is where i'm

1851
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,920
kind of the black sheep of the jfk

1852
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:21,920
community even though i'm a big i guess

1853
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,840
i'm one of the few players left in it

1854
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,440
because we're all dying now it's like

1855
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,679
crazy jim mars is dead

1856
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,679
and you know we're losing people left

1857
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,360
and right we've lost

1858
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,199
abraham bolden we're you know i mean

1859
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,679
everybody's old i'm the youngest one of

1860
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,560
the youngest people in the jfk research

1861
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,400
community and it just scares me jesus

1862
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:42,320
out of me i'm 60. so that tells you a

1863
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,520
lot folks

1864
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,679
and i'm kind of the one that they all

1865
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,520
look at they go maybe the younger

1866
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:49,760
generations got it right because i kept

1867
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:52,159
telling them for the last 10 years i've

1868
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,080
been saying you guys it has a lot more

1869
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,159
to do with ufos and aliens and other

1870
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,159
worldly presence than you want to

1871
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,280
believe why jfk got shot because he was

1872
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,800
dismantling the cia you know i mean he's

1873
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,800
dismantling the guys that are in charge

1874
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,960
of keeping this all quiet so you know

1875
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:10,800
there's a lot of stuff that was going on

1876
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:13,679
jfk had like 20 different reasons that

1877
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,880
they would have killed them and then

1878
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,560
that one's right up at number one or

1879
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,719
number two okay

1880
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,719
absolutely yeah as soon as he put that

1881
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,520
request in uh james jesus angleton you

1882
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,000
know that was the trigger because you

1883
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:27,760
know it's dr saleh's work and you know

1884
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,560
in the

1885
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:30,480
the one book he put out which was

1886
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,070
kennedy's last stand you know the the

1887
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,800
burn memo says you know well you know

1888
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,880
lancer has been looking into our affairs

1889
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:42,320
you know lancer being the code word for

1890
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:46,080
jfk this we must not allow you know and

1891
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,320
that he wrote uh alan dulles mj won you

1892
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,120
know at that time because of the newly

1893
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,520
newly executive order eisenhower did

1894
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:56,560
from the

1895
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:01,199
went to this cabal

1896
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:02,239
uh

1897
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,080
mj-12 group which put alan dallas as mj1

1898
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,920
and you know the rest of the the group

1899
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,360
you know including

1900
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:10,640
hoover and others

1901
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,800
um what happened was um

1902
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:16,880
you know he he made this uh

1903
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,000
assassination directive and

1904
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,080
that you know and

1905
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,800
you know you have lbj lyndon b johnson

1906
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,679
was

1907
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,440
oh my god right there

1908
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,440
don't even get me started on this guy

1909
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,400
this guy was going to prison

1910
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:34,960
you know yeah when they

1911
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:38,320
they suicided him out the window

1912
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,199
yeah all this uh he was an asset you

1913
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,520
know he was an mj-12 asset

1914
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,990
people don't get this they don't get a

1915
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,480
they don't understand that most of the

1916
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,400
major players in history that have been

1917
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,239
taken out have been taken out for

1918
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,120
various reasons but usually it's because

1919
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,280
they're asking too many questions about

1920
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,880
stuff that they're supposedly not

1921
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,120
allowed to know about and that goes all

1922
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,600
the way from jfk all the way till now

1923
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:06,480
and

1924
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,080
even clinton um at some point was brief

1925
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,800
to the fact that mr president

1926
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,880
there's so much more that we can't tell

1927
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,560
you but trust us

1928
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,239
you don't want to know or something

1929
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:19,920
along those lines

1930
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,080
and uh when you're asked this is the

1931
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,560
exact answers you're going to give and

1932
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:26,800
if you go on jimmy kimmel

1933
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,239
all of you are going to get the same

1934
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,480
question the exact same question

1935
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:32,159
delivered to you in the exact same

1936
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:35,199
manner so learn your lines basically

1937
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,640
what they've done to all of them have

1938
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,199
you noticed i mean even kimmel asked the

1939
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,239
same question of both barack obama and

1940
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,640
uh bill clinton with the exact same oh

1941
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,719
yeah they're they're seating

1942
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:48,320
they're seating the public they're

1943
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:49,760
getting it ready they're getting them

1944
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,239
ready for disclosure but you know it's

1945
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:55,679
like um you know i i respect the work of

1946
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,000
uh dr salah what he's been doing and

1947
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,400
researching on these documents what

1948
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,159
what's kind of curious is

1949
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,040
my father worked first time and i'm i'm

1950
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,199
finding him to be a very fascinating guy

1951
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:09,120
i really hadn't paid a whole lot of

1952
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,679
attention to dr salla and i

1953
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:13,760
now i feel kind of bad because he's very

1954
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:16,719
intriguing i'm not oh he does impeccable

1955
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:18,400
research

1956
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,679
these uh admirals and captains that

1957
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,760
tompkins was talking about talked to

1958
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,520
them and they verified what he was

1959
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,239
saying and i even collaborated with him

1960
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,480
on some freedom and information docs you

1961
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,800
know because i had you know i was in the

1962
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:36,719
navy you know with a high level top

1963
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,480
secret and uh gave him my insights on on

1964
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:42,880
the traveling passes when he used to fly

1965
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:45,199
from naval air station san diego which

1966
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:46,880
was kind of interesting the exact

1967
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:49,360
department of naval air we're talking

1968
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:50,320
about

1969
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,600
everybody understands who we're talking

1970
01:16:02,630 --> 01:15:58,790
yeah i'm just assuming this is you know

1971
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:02,640
people are aware that tompkins is uh

1972
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,120
in his 90s that is

1973
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,480
has come out

1974
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,719
in uh what what's kind of interesting

1975
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,080
you have these

1976
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,400
20 and bad guys the first one coming out

1977
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,960
with michael ralph in 2000 and you have

1978
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:16,000
uh

1979
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:21,920
out right about 2014 i believe

1980
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,800
uh

1981
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:24,320
and then

1982
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:27,840
afterward after these three people come

1983
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,159
out with their testimonies which have

1984
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,159
similarities a lot of similarities

1985
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:35,040
between these three guys but they don't

1986
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:36,640
they don't have any

1987
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,000
documents to prove right all of a sudden

1988
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,440
here comes tompkins following these guys

1989
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,920
and this is uh and he's been writing his

1990
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:52,080
book and got you know approval like we

1991
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:55,440
said earlier from admiral uh

1992
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,320
uh

1993
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,080
admiral hugh webster

1994
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:00,159
uh you know the tell at all saying it's

1995
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,840
most important to the country don't

1996
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:04,320
leave anything out and so

1997
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,120
uh here he's got all this documentation

1998
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,360
of of where he worked with mcdonald

1999
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,480
douglas

2000
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,400
what he was doing the admirals and

2001
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:14,640
things that are backing him up i mean

2002
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:18,000
the navy is basically giving him um

2003
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,760
you know the go-ahead

2004
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,239
so there's a there's a lot of evidence

2005
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,159
and what i was going to say is my father

2006
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:26,960
uh was a career marine with presidential

2007
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,920
citation was like 27 years in the marine

2008
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:31,520
corps in aviation

2009
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:32,400
um

2010
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,440
and he worked at the naval uh

2011
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,280
air station in san diego in the exact

2012
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,199
department that bill tompkins was

2013
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,120
working and i was going through my

2014
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,120
father's old chest back in the 40s you

2015
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,880
know and here's a picture of you know

2016
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,719
i'm looking at this book you know this

2017
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,560
is after i'm learning about you know

2018
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:50,719
tompkins and things with salah

2019
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:51,600
and

2020
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:55,520
forrestal in the front of the book you

2021
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,520
know and i'm looking out and it's got

2022
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,280
all the personnel

2023
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,400
and in fact i i shipped to hawaii the uh

2024
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,239
book to michael sal

2025
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,280
to collaborate with uh with william

2026
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,679
tompkins and sure enough there was the

2027
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,920
division head he was only a captain that

2028
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,520
time rico boda

2029
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:15,840
who was under assignment by james

2030
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:18,880
forrestall with the 29

2031
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,080
u.s navy spies embedded into the nazi

2032
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:25,600
germany uh you know anti-gravity program

2033
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,640
so um you know all this sort of

2034
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,480
you know collaborates you know i know

2035
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,920
richard dolan saying oh there's no

2036
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:33,520
evidence you know but you know what

2037
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,400
there

2038
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:36,719
actually is a lot of interesting

2039
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,679
collaborating evidence of what tompkins

2040
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:41,520
is providing that

2041
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,960
you know uh

2042
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,360
you know but i'm i'm kind of suspicious

2043
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:47,520
still you know of some of these guys

2044
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:49,120
because they could know you know

2045
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:52,480
obviously unesa is monitoring everything

2046
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,199
and there appears according to

2047
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,440
tompkins stories there was a split back

2048
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,520
in the late 40s between the air force

2049
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,040
and the navy

2050
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,600
and that the navy did its own secret

2051
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:05,280
thing and the air force went off and it

2052
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,880
did its thing and then around 1955

2053
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,800
they uh kind of

2054
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:13,199
went in with this uh

2055
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:15,040
industrial military complex that

2056
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,960
eisenhower warned us about on his final

2057
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,960
day

2058
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,520
that appears to

2059
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,000
work with the um

2060
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:27,360
uh i guess say the uh

2061
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,360
fascist cabal mindset uh that is uh was

2062
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:33,199
working with the nazis

2063
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:36,320
uh and so you know how prevalent today

2064
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,679
by the way

2065
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:39,199
yeah

2066
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,719
well you know it's kind of interesting

2067
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:43,040
because you see you know before hitler

2068
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:44,880
came into power you see the banking

2069
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:46,719
elite the people that were in the

2070
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:50,560
fascist mindset that uh you know that

2071
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:51,920
was there

2072
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:52,719
that

2073
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,679
it brought him into power and then at

2074
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,280
the end of the war you know it was like

2075
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,600
victory yeah we went over to germany

2076
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,320
right but we have all these over 100

2077
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,480
missing u-boats and all the scientists

2078
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,320
and come over and paper clip and there's

2079
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,560
thousands of germans unaccounted for you

2080
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:09,920
know and all this stuff

2081
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:10,800
uh

2082
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,000
then you have um

2083
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:16,480
uh let's see i lost track there

2084
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,800
oh you know what this is a perfect time

2085
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,199
we'll leave it at that oh bro right now

2086
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:22,960
coming to take a break

2087
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,199
and we get back we'll talk much more

2088
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:27,840
about this because i have opinions about

2089
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,679
it as you know and

2090
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,920
and uh this would be fun to see how we

2091
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,600
both come out in the end of this i think

2092
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:35,360
we're going to be matching but i want to

2093
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,600
see how we get there so everybody stick

2094
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,880
around this is going to be an

2095
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:40,960
interesting last half hour of the show

2096
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,390
back everyone to the california mufon

2097
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,280
radio show i am your host lorian fenton

2098
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:53,120
well i'm not sure i got that button

2099
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:54,880
working over on the website yet so you

2100
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,640
guys check it out during the week i'll

2101
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,719
remind you next week and then

2102
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,400
after my birthday is over well we'll

2103
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,679
just see

2104
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,600
i may leave it up for the kitty cats i

2105
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,920
don't know but we'll find out we may be

2106
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:08,400
doing a big fundraiser over gofundme

2107
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:11,920
about the whole thing so if it does

2108
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:13,760
you know what do they call that expand

2109
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:17,199
or or you know get really huge in in its

2110
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:18,000
uh

2111
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:22,000
what i ca guys i'm sorry i've been at

2112
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,760
work all day today and it's been a very

2113
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:25,280
long day and all the words are gone out

2114
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,400
of my head especially the big ones

2115
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:30,640
so here we are so if it expands and

2116
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,480
becomes a big deal and it becomes a

2117
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,159
statewide issue

2118
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,560
yes there'll be a big gofundme campaign

2119
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,400
you guys can help out anybody who has

2120
01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:40,080
cats i'm sure you guys will help out

2121
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,640
it'll be wonderful so anyhow more on

2122
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,320
that next week

2123
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:46,159
okay let's get back to dan now dan and i

2124
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:47,920
were just talking about

2125
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,880
um the the whole mufon well not really

2126
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,440
mufon but the whole corey good kind of

2127
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,719
tompkins

2128
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,120
uh coming out and telling their stories

2129
01:22:02,629 --> 01:21:59,280
and uh where were we we were just at the

2130
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,639
party we're talking about the nazis um

2131
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,560
and the department of navy and

2132
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,360
department of the army not army air

2133
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:09,520
force had broken away from each other

2134
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:12,239
back in the was the 50s

2135
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,800
uh the late 40s uh project command

2136
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,080
there we go

2137
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,400
yeah so patrick brand turned into rand

2138
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:22,639
corporation air force took over from

2139
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:25,280
there navy went underground or

2140
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:28,880
everything over in china lake and the uh

2141
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,520
and wright patterson you know until you

2142
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,320
know eisenhower lost control and then uh

2143
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,080
everything shifted from wright patterson

2144
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,880
over to area 51 s4

2145
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,199
absolutely and that's where magic goes

2146
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,440
kind of taking over and run the the

2147
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:45,920
whole shebang as i call it so

2148
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,320
bang yep yep so let's let's start

2149
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,159
talking about the whole corey good

2150
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,400
michael salad the kind of the mufon

2151
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,719
thing that happened at the symposium

2152
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,639
let's talk about that for a bit and i'm

2153
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,159
just going to i'll go first i'm going to

2154
01:23:00,790 --> 01:23:00,000
tell the audience they pretty much know

2155
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,800
this

2156
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:02,560
i absolutely believe corey goode is a

2157
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,239
contact bee

2158
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:06,400
i absolutely believe he's a my labs

2159
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,360
victim

2160
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,360
and i absolutely believe he isn't some

2161
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:11,679
kind of mind control thing that that is

2162
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:14,080
going on for some nefarious reason i

2163
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:15,760
don't know what it is

2164
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:18,719
that is my take on it having been in the

2165
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,760
game of the mind control field i call it

2166
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,600
the mind control field folks and it

2167
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:25,600
blows up in your face constantly let me

2168
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:26,480
tell you

2169
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:29,360
one wrong step and and you're done for

2170
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,639
um having been there as long as i have i

2171
01:23:38,350 --> 01:23:35,280
really see the pattern and i see his

2172
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,360
body language how he talks to people his

2173
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,600
non-commitment of non-committalness i

2174
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,159
don't know how that's even a word

2175
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:46,320
to speak with people who aren't in his

2176
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:47,600
own sphere

2177
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:49,760
if you aren't part of the team or the

2178
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,960
game then you don't get talked to um

2179
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:53,920
it's

2180
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,840
in my opinion a big psyops

2181
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,280
and i'm not sure how it's all going to

2182
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,199
play out yet but i

2183
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:04,960
like i said i'm not saying he's not a

2184
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,360
contactee i'm not saying he doesn't have

2185
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,679
a good message i'm not saying that he

2186
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,840
isn't probably a good guy that's being

2187
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:13,760
used in some bizarre way just like

2188
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:15,920
albilic was and a lot of these other

2189
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:18,800
people um i truly believe that he's a

2190
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,600
good guy and you know deep down but

2191
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,239
i think he's being severely misdirected

2192
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,239
with the the party he's keeping the

2193
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:28,639
friends that he has and what what he's

2194
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,840
doing except michael sala who has

2195
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,000
impressed me i had an interview with him

2196
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,480
at the mufon conference one on one and

2197
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,320
he truly impressed me as a guy that's

2198
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,840
really trying to do good in the

2199
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:41,920
community so i'm going to leave it at

2200
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:44,719
that that's my take what's yours dan

2201
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,360
i'm very impressed with uh dr michael

2202
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,400
sala his uh his research has been

2203
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:52,800
impeccable he's very thorough he

2204
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,440
exhausts all outlets you know

2205
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,600
interviews the people the the names that

2206
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,239
tompkins has given and puts out freedom

2207
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,480
information act requests that

2208
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:04,800
you know independently verify exactly

2209
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,639
what tompkins is saying you know so yeah

2210
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:10,960
you know i you know i'm just a witness

2211
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,280
so one of over 500

2212
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,120
you know were they they collected you

2213
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:16,960
know when we went to the national press

2214
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,760
cup it's 450 in 2001 i was over 500.

2215
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,440
it wasn't until

2216
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:25,520
the beginning of 2014 that a media

2217
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,199
company in hollywood contacted me

2218
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,760
because i was a witness and because i

2219
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:31,760
used to be an abc news man they wanted

2220
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,880
me to write an article for them on media

2221
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,040
control regards the ufo issue and that's

2222
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,639
what created the webmatrix.net and the

2223
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,560
article i wrote was

2224
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,320
um

2225
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,480
who controls the agreed-upon reality

2226
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,480
through the mainstream media and why

2227
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:51,120
they fear disclosing the truth about the

2228
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:55,360
extraterrestrial reality uh and so

2229
01:26:14,709 --> 01:25:56,080
i

2230
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,719
uh

2231
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,880
and so i had to put together a

2232
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,199
chronology beginning in the 20 beginning

2233
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,159
of the 20th century you know around 1900

2234
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,000
up to present day

2235
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:27,040
to try to piece it together with

2236
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,000
you know

2237
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,880
putting the foundational basis of we

2238
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,639
have like you know what 500 witnesses

2239
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:34,639
and a lot of them i became

2240
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,120
familiar with and a lot of the

2241
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,639
documentation

2242
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,080
that have been authenticated you know

2243
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:42,800
top secret documents and things and so

2244
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:45,440
using that as a basis you know to branch

2245
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,639
off from

2246
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,239
um

2247
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:50,800
i started to put together a chronology

2248
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:53,520
to understand what happened you know and

2249
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:57,120
uh the thing that shocked me was uh

2250
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:59,679
you know i thought we won the war in

2251
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,159
world war ii what happened was the nazis

2252
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:04,480
had this plan called velken shalon's

2253
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:07,120
creek which means world view warfare

2254
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:09,040
they plan to infiltrate in the united

2255
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,719
states and take over control of

2256
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,120
education which they did in 1946 with

2257
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,199
the rockefeller foundation rewrote the

2258
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,360
history what happened at world war ii

2259
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:20,159
they totally covered their tracks the

2260
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:22,480
operation mockingbird 400 journalists

2261
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,679
set up by alan dulles uh totally took

2262
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:27,840
over control the mainstream media so

2263
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:30,400
today we have what non-official covers

2264
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,840
like the the one german uh doctor you've

2265
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,159
i can't pronounce his name but he said i

2266
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,400
was trained to lie and deceive and the

2267
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,159
cia would give me information i look

2268
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:42,480
like coming from independent sources but

2269
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,320
you're a non-official cover they deny

2270
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:46,880
access you know and then you have uh you

2271
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:50,480
know back in 1951 the daily stood still

2272
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,560
started project dove and they started

2273
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,639
influencing hollywood you know and all

2274
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,159
the movies and related with

2275
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,159
extraterrestrials you know and all the

2276
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:00,080
fear-based stuff and there was like a

2277
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,000
there was like more than one element

2278
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,679
it's it's a complicated thing you know

2279
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:05,199
when you look at uh

2280
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,800
you know the uh admiral leslie stevens

2281
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:10,880
uh who was working with rick admiral

2282
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,159
rick oboda he was uh you know

2283
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:16,880
contemporary in these uh secret

2284
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,520
psychological operations with the whole

2285
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:20,960
nazi uh

2286
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:23,840
uh infiltration with their spies and

2287
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,719
his son admiral leslie stevens jr was

2288
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,960
putting out he was in hollywood putting

2289
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,120
out the outer limits you know i used to

2290
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,760
love the outer limits and then he also

2291
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,920
gave the script and things for gene

2292
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,000
roddenberry for star trek

2293
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,480
uh you know so all this stuff is like

2294
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,000
you know which is

2295
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,920
interesting because it's navy you know

2296
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,120
it's not like

2297
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:48,719
um

2298
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:52,480
general uh captain james t kirk you know

2299
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,360
or

2300
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,719
it's uh

2301
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:57,120
it's admiral james t cross you know it's

2302
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:59,120
like a navy fleet right

2303
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,800
you got it so

2304
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,480
um

2305
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,199
so yeah they've been we've been under uh

2306
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:07,920
generational indoctrination

2307
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,440
uh so that now in the year 2017

2308
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:14,560
a lot of this stuff sounds really out of

2309
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:17,360
you know like science fiction from the

2310
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,480
from the strangest realms you know

2311
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,120
but what's happened is we've been in a

2312
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,159
matrix of perception psychological

2313
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,199
operations uh on steroids

2314
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,760
uh have been used on us to in order to

2315
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:33,840
keep us in this matrix of perception

2316
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:36,639
that the uh nazis had planned

2317
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:37,600
um

2318
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:40,000
you know you have to wonder uh you know

2319
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:41,520
in some of the project paperclip

2320
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:44,719
documents you have uh xavier dorsch

2321
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,679
which was the head uh guy for hitler

2322
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:49,679
that was building this huge massive

2323
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,400
underground complexes we had you know

2324
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,320
millions of slaves they're doing all

2325
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:57,520
this work and then they brought him over

2326
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:58,960
you know to

2327
01:30:02,870 --> 01:29:59,760
yeah

2328
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,880
46 and in new mexico and they

2329
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:05,040
start right up building underground

2330
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,960
things and they expanded it out all over

2331
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,480
the place you know so

2332
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:11,520
uh you know and now you know it's

2333
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:14,480
interesting dr saleh brought up in obama

2334
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,880
administration where he passed through

2335
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:18,239
the senate

2336
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:22,239
this uh bill that basically made the

2337
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:26,080
corporations not liable for use of human

2338
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:27,760
um

2339
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:30,880
uh how do you say it

2340
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:31,840
you know

2341
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:34,080
were you doing uh crimes against

2342
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:36,400
humanity where you're doing uh

2343
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:37,840
oh yeah

2344
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:41,120
humans uh for doing mining operations

2345
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,520
off planet you know and there's uh

2346
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,360
you know it was on cnn you know where

2347
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:47,040
robert steele was talking about the

2348
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,920
slave bases on mars you know to alex

2349
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:51,760
jones which he got you know

2350
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:54,800
i thought that was really interesting

2351
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,760
yeah

2352
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,239
so you know it there was this mentality

2353
01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:00,080
of you know heinrich himmler and you

2354
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,159
know uh dr salad brought it up during

2355
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,320
the mufon conference that you know

2356
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:07,840
albert uh spear was uh nazi germany's uh

2357
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:10,960
armen armaments minister where the ss

2358
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,719
you know where richard dolan was saying

2359
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:13,760
oh the

2360
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,880
german art german didn't have any uh

2361
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,719
military didn't have any funding and

2362
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:20,080
stuff well

2363
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,719
uh the ss so untrue

2364
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:24,560
yeah

2365
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,199
doesn't understand how much uh the

2366
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:29,280
american wealthy

2367
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:32,480
german ancestry was supporting that war

2368
01:31:39,149 --> 01:31:35,600
here i mean the bush family alone put in

2369
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:42,229
1944 operation eagle flight you know

2370
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:42,960
where

2371
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:46,480
they had so much gold they bought 750

2372
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:48,880
front corporations you know when they

2373
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,520
you know moved everything to argentina

2374
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:53,280
and antarctica

2375
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:55,760
okay kevin for the grand prize of one

2376
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,719
million dollars what color is the white

2377
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:00,880
house um

2378
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:03,440
i know this i know this i know this

2379
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:06,239
um five seconds oh

2380
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,840
switching to geico could save you a

2381
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:10,080
bunch of money on car insurance

2382
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:11,120
okay

2383
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,800
judges

2384
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:14,800
that's true kevin

2385
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:18,320
congratulations you're a winner

2386
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:20,719
geico because saving 15 or more on car

2387
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:23,760
insurance is always a great answer uh

2388
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:26,000
you know it was like there's so many

2389
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:27,920
indicative uh you know even wendell

2390
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:29,679
stevens you know who was on the myers

2391
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,159
case when he was uh working with uh

2392
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:34,320
wright patterson he saw a documentation

2393
01:32:38,830 --> 01:32:35,840
where they had nine

2394
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:38,840
disc factories over there and uh that's

2395
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:42,080
right and uh one was destroyed and the

2396
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:44,880
other ones were moved to uh antarctica

2397
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:48,239
and uh one in uh in the amazon the other

2398
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:50,159
one up in norway which is interesting in

2399
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:53,600
my own research i noticed these uh

2400
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:55,040
nazi s

2401
01:33:02,149 --> 01:32:57,920
these u-boats being sunk

2402
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,159
with huge one had 67 tons of mercury and

2403
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:03,920
sealed glass containers the other one

2404
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:07,520
had 33 tons i mean that's a lot did you

2405
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:10,320
find out about that because that's very

2406
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:11,760
intriguing

2407
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:14,400
way of running into things because uh

2408
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:17,920
when i was when i went into washington i

2409
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,760
sat down with mark mccandish and he knew

2410
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:21,600
i had a really good technical background

2411
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:23,280
and he went over the alien reproduction

2412
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,239
vehicle and sure enough it has a mercury

2413
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:28,320
tube in the middle which you know the

2414
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:31,120
ancient armadas you know the spinning

2415
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:33,920
mercury creates this anti-gravity effect

2416
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,080
and they discovered that you know with

2417
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,560
the uh the dykalok you know the bell and

2418
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:40,800
everything and so yeah they were using

2419
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,639
this mercury

2420
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:44,320
and it's kind of interesting you know up

2421
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:47,600
in the s4 in the area 51 area yeah you

2422
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,040
have uh

2423
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:51,840
the mercury highway we're

2424
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:54,320
going into s4

2425
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,679
and uh it used to be mercury mines all

2426
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:59,760
over the place in that area

2427
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:01,760
you know which is kind of forgot about

2428
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:02,639
that

2429
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:05,120
kind of interesting correlation with the

2430
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:07,760
mercury and the anti-gravity thing which

2431
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,040
you know

2432
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,800
and the reason i forgot about it is

2433
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:12,719
because my uncle and my dad owned a

2434
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,960
silver mine out in that area for a long

2435
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:15,920
time

2436
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,600
and um

2437
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:20,000
they had told me when i was a kid

2438
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:21,840
oh yeah we're so glad they're not mining

2439
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,600
mercury anymore people were dying when

2440
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,520
they were mining that stuff you know and

2441
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,440
i'm like can't you get some kind of

2442
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:29,440
weird mercury poisoning if you smell it

2443
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:31,280
or breathe it or something i don't know

2444
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:32,880
i can't remember what it is but i

2445
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:34,400
remember as a kid they were talking

2446
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,080
about it being all

2447
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:39,040
riddled throughout northern uh nevada

2448
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:40,080
so

2449
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:44,800
know nazi germany and the anti-gravity

2450
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:46,880
stuff you know that's going on

2451
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,000
um

2452
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:50,560
you know and mark mccandish he uh

2453
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:53,280
you know about the uh alien reproduction

2454
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:54,960
vehicles or brad source and you know

2455
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,280
seeing in 1988 norton air force base you

2456
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:59,440
know hovering off the ground

2457
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,560
um

2458
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:02,400
you know

2459
01:35:10,709 --> 01:35:08,629
there's a lot more that meets the eye to

2460
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,719
that what i tell people all the time if

2461
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,159
that's what they were showing the

2462
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,639
senators and the you know the lower

2463
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,280
level officials of our government

2464
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:19,440
that's nothing compared what they had

2465
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,920
that's nothing oh oh okay how is this a

2466
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:23,520
distraction stuff they have on the black

2467
01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:26,800
projects is like yeah light years uh

2468
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:29,840
you know from what like when we met with

2469
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:31,840
scientists and inventors i

2470
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:34,159
met with some pretty amazing intelligent

2471
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,920
beings that

2472
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:38,000
were having different concepts of ways

2473
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:40,080
of extracting from the vacuum you know

2474
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,560
uh energy but the stuff they have in the

2475
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:45,360
black projects is way beyond

2476
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,159
um you know in in the secret space

2477
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:50,480
program uh when during the break we were

2478
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:51,840
talking about you know there can always

2479
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,080
be the cia calls it a ddt operation uh

2480
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,480
like decoy distract trash they can bring

2481
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:00,800
somebody in that has a story that's

2482
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,360
matching perfectly you know and as we

2483
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,760
were saying earlier uh you know michael

2484
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,080
ralph came out and randy kramer and then

2485
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,360
corey goode in 2014 and then afterwards

2486
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:12,800
and don't forget there were like a

2487
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,600
handful of other guys at the time too um

2488
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,840
um aaron um

2489
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,360
oh i can't think of his name right now

2490
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:21,199
there were there probably were five more

2491
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,000
guys too okay all right there's more of

2492
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:26,400
them that are claiming 20 and back for

2493
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:29,440
sure exactly and it was before

2494
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,159
uh he ever before corey good ever talked

2495
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:34,320
about it so i know there's got there's

2496
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,920
at least five other guys that i've

2497
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,840
talked to personally that have said they

2498
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,679
didn't call it 20 and back they called

2499
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:41,840
it um an age regression type of thing

2500
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:43,120
that they did with them while they

2501
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:44,639
worked with them

2502
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:47,440
they never gave it an enacter an acronym

2503
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,800
like that so

2504
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,560
so i don't know where the 20 and bat

2505
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,800
came from did that come from ralph uh

2506
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,639
down in australia

2507
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,880
wasn't that his version of it

2508
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:58,560
i don't i don't know but what's

2509
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:00,800
interesting is that the navy

2510
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:03,920
this is the navy wanting full disclosure

2511
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,920
and all the indications are is that's

2512
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:07,920
true you know when you look at uh

2513
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:10,400
admiral tom wilson you look at admiral

2514
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,880
hugh webster you look at

2515
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,239
all these different

2516
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:16,719
um all the things about the white house

2517
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:18,480
in the navy yeah these are all the

2518
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,480
people that have told tompkins

2519
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,320
that he needs to come out and tell the

2520
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,040
world about all this stuff okay but if

2521
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,119
you wanted to take tompkins down you

2522
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:29,119
would have you know the nsa would know

2523
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:30,719
everything that tompkins is going to

2524
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:33,199
come out with they could screen memory

2525
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,600
somebody or do some kind of thing and

2526
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:37,520
you know so the important thing is you

2527
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:38,639
know don't

2528
01:37:41,390 --> 01:37:39,600
uh

2529
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:41,400
don't just accept

2530
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,400
anybody's testimony but look at it very

2531
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,960
carefully look at you know compare with

2532
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,119
people that do have some documented

2533
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,600
reference i know that he's like 90 some

2534
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,440
but he's pretty lucid you know he's

2535
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,600
pretty uh considering you know i met him

2536
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,440
at the conference and i was surprised at

2537
01:38:02,229 --> 01:37:59,920
how quick-witted he was

2538
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:02,239
yeah he you know when he was 17 he was

2539
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:07,119
like uh he made a uh like 81 ships uh

2540
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:08,000
that

2541
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:13,040
intelligence saw he was copying top

2542
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:15,840
secret uh stuff in perfect uh

2543
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:18,080
replication and said you know hey we got

2544
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:19,920
to get this guy in the navy you know so

2545
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,760
he came in yeah he's either doubted

2546
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,880
we're gonna throw him in the brick for

2547
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,800
the rest of his life right you get two

2548
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,639
choices

2549
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,480
you don't get to like just join you get

2550
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,639
to you know it's either you got to stop

2551
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:32,239
doing that for everybody else and do it

2552
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:37,830
and then you have the vatican coming in

2553
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:40,960
you know saying oh my god yeah

2554
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,280
dr greer says they're all positive pale

2555
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,360
o'hara says they're all positive grant

2556
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,199
cameron says they're all positive you

2557
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:48,639
got all these people saying they're all

2558
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:49,840
positive

2559
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:51,679
but uh

2560
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,119
my my own

2561
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:55,920
speculation belief i don't know you know

2562
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,199
but uh

2563
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,360
i believe the majority of them are

2564
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,719
benevolent

2565
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,360
uh but but like everything in the

2566
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:04,960
universe you know there may be some

2567
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:07,760
other elements but how do people know

2568
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:11,040
for sure these things you know because

2569
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:12,639
tompkins is saying that there is kind of

2570
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:15,119
a predatory type of race

2571
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:18,080
that uh the nazis uh had an alliance

2572
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:18,960
with

2573
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:20,960
and uh

2574
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,840
and they're into slavery they're into

2575
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:26,080
you know human trafficking they're into

2576
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,040
uh

2577
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:29,520
you know supposedly

2578
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,480
you know uh you know cannibalism

2579
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:35,679
who knows you know yeah i mean seriously

2580
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:36,800
i'm telling you

2581
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:40,239
and you know cory's

2582
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,320
i'm talking over you somehow i'm you're

2583
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,920
not hearing me and i'm not hearing you

2584
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:46,000
too well right now but um go ahead with

2585
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,719
tom what you're saying about tompkins

2586
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:50,880
oh i was just saying you know uh you

2587
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,199
know and i know andy passagio before he

2588
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:54,960
went public

2589
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,600
we talked for hours and i encouraged him

2590
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,440
i wanted him to be a disclosure witness

2591
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,600
but dr grier didn't accept it because he

2592
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,600
didn't have any enough documentation to

2593
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,840
back you know what he was saying

2594
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,400
uh so i told him you know for his safety

2595
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:10,480
he needed to get on coast to coast and

2596
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:13,600
and different uh outlets and he did he

2597
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:16,000
got very public on both alternative and

2598
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:17,679
mainstream you know unfortunately they

2599
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,040
made a fun of them but um

2600
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:23,440
you know and andy he's uh you know very

2601
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:25,199
eloquent speaker

2602
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,960
and uh

2603
01:40:31,109 --> 01:40:29,520
he's a good friend of mine too so

2604
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,119
yeah yeah

2605
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,520
you know i gotta say dan i i think i

2606
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:35,119
mentioned this to you before in the last

2607
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:37,520
show we were on together i really i love

2608
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,679
andy don't get me wrong andy i mean he

2609
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:41,199
and i saw each other for the first time

2610
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,199
in a year or so and we were just having

2611
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,960
a love fest at the conference i mean

2612
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:47,440
he's an extraordinary man

2613
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:50,560
but he is i think he's very naive in

2614
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:53,199
what might be going on with him i i

2615
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:54,960
truly believe that

2616
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,920
he believes absolutely that he has been

2617
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,840
traveled through time and been to mars

2618
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,840
and done all these things and i get it

2619
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:04,800
he absolutely believes it and that is

2620
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,199
the sure sign to me that these guys are

2621
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:09,840
severely mind controlled and i'm not

2622
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:12,320
saying we don't have the time machine

2623
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,480
i'm not saying we don't have the looking

2624
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,560
glass thing i'm not saying these people

2625
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,800
haven't been to mars but i am going to

2626
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,239
say this and i'm going to say it for the

2627
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,440
hundredth time when andy and i talked of

2628
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:25,600
one of our many many long conversations

2629
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:28,560
this was back in nineteen uh no twenty

2630
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,440
um

2631
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,440
she twenty must be right after the first

2632
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,760
super soldier summit he was supposed to

2633
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,920
be at it he couldn't make it

2634
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,159
and one of the reasons he did not want

2635
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,480
to be there is because he just isn't

2636
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:42,560
convinced still that he's a he's a mind

2637
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,000
control victim and i said well you know

2638
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,239
here's the deal andy think about it this

2639
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:50,639
way you go to mars you battle a beast

2640
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,480
you're with another guy i think it was

2641
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,159
barack obama i'm not sure i can't

2642
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,880
remember and you you're this beast is

2643
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,880
killing this kid and you don't save him

2644
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:00,880
the first time you go back and you do it

2645
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:04,080
all over again all over again same place

2646
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:07,600
same beast same kid the kid is back he

2647
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:10,960
just died a week ago but he's back okay

2648
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,280
and now you don't save him and he dies

2649
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,360
again and then you go back a third time

2650
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,119
there's the beast there's the kid you

2651
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:19,360
save him you never have to do it again

2652
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,000
what is that smack of it smacks to me of

2653
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,159
a holographic universe in your mind that

2654
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:27,280
they're using you to to run scenarios

2655
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,320
and they're using you in a mind set

2656
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:32,800
not necessarily or a consciousness set

2657
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,880
maybe they're taking your consciousness

2658
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,199
out of your physical 3d body in this

2659
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,119
reality and popping you into another

2660
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,119
dimensional time space

2661
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:43,199
that could be having some time there's a

2662
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,679
lot of mind control stuff going on with

2663
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,600
all of this that's why everybody you

2664
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,520
know and some of the stuff sounds you

2665
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:51,280
know what the reason why it's turning

2666
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:53,520
richard dolan off is because it sounds

2667
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,000
like sensationalism you know that's

2668
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:57,920
that's made out of you know from comic

2669
01:43:02,229 --> 01:43:00,239
books you know that are like you know

2670
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:02,239
you know but the thing is that we've

2671
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:05,440
been under a matrix of perception that

2672
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:06,719
uh

2673
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:09,600
we've had our planet hijacked

2674
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,639
exactly these things sound

2675
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:14,719
incredible and sensational because we've

2676
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,760
been kept in an isolated bubble of what

2677
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:20,080
we think reality is

2678
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,880
yeah

2679
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,119
and it could be even more fantastical

2680
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,280
than cory good's even talking about you

2681
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:27,119
know i've never been one to say there

2682
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,199
couldn't be even a lot more

2683
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,400
you know i'm just saying folks

2684
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,400
that could be lightweight stuff

2685
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:36,239
yeah it could be just that could be the

2686
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,199
tip of the iceberg for all we know and

2687
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:41,520
it goes back to the other thing that uh

2688
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:44,719
another guy told me out of andy's group

2689
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:47,840
he was supposedly the adviser to nixon

2690
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,159
about the the graves and the ufo

2691
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:52,639
community and he said lorien i'm telling

2692
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,040
you this is the answer to everything

2693
01:43:59,950 --> 01:43:57,199
i was shown that the graves have what

2694
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,960
they call the slots

2695
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,600
s-l-o-t-s

2696
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,679
and it's a holographic universe that

2697
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:05,679
they have placed right outside of our

2698
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,119
perception of our our physical reality

2699
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,440
and they can take us there with our

2700
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:13,679
consciousness they take us there as a

2701
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,199
conscious being

2702
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:17,600
into an avatar form and we think we're

2703
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:20,480
doing everything we're doing here hence

2704
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:23,119
20 and back hence i was on a ship last

2705
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:26,560
night and i flew out to mars or whatever

2706
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:28,880
and these things are actually going on

2707
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:30,800
but they're not going on the way we

2708
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:33,520
think they are it's all done through a

2709
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,440
manipulation of the mind and

2710
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,800
consciousness

2711
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,679
and

2712
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:39,760
he's the only one that's ever said that

2713
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:42,239
to me and within two weeks of him

2714
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:43,760
telling me this

2715
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:46,320
he was back home and he didn't remember

2716
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:48,159
who the heck i was even though he'd been

2717
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,280
on my radio show like 10 times and ben

2718
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:53,600
flown to my conference and sat with me

2719
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:55,040
and had dinner and talked to me for

2720
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,320
three days the guy had no memory of me

2721
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:00,400
so they wiped his mind he doesn't

2722
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:02,000
remember what he told me he doesn't know

2723
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,360
who i am it's it's an absolute conundrum

2724
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,760
to me but not really because he's the

2725
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,159
first guy that ever told me about this

2726
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,080
and he's the last guy that ever told me

2727
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:14,239
about it so it really smacks to me that

2728
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:15,760
it's probably true

2729
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:18,239
in some sense the mind control stuff is

2730
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,679
real stuff yeah um yeah you know it's uh

2731
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,679
you know we we have to do the due

2732
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,440
diligence and uh

2733
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:28,080
compare there's certain anchors in this

2734
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:29,840
and that's a lot of when you get like

2735
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:31,760
500 witnesses and you have all this

2736
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:33,280
documentation

2737
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:34,159
uh

2738
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,199
you know you

2739
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,520
you've got something to go by but

2740
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:38,800
there's a

2741
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:40,960
it's a minefield out there of because

2742
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:43,040
they're trying desperately you know

2743
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:44,639
they're trying to take over google

2744
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,480
facebook and well they recreate it

2745
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:48,880
actually you know but you know

2746
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:52,239
to with the algorithms so that

2747
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:54,560
they're tr it's a it's a race against

2748
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:56,639
how many people are waking up versus how

2749
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:59,920
many people is still in that uh

2750
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:00,880
that

2751
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:04,400
think

2752
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,480
living their paradigm the psyop that

2753
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:08,800
they want us to believe is the reality

2754
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:09,840
yeah yeah

2755
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,159
watching cnn you know all the rest of

2756
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:14,480
them that are completely controlled

2757
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,840
um absolutely well oh my god i can't

2758
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:20,239
believe we asked it's ten o'clock oh my

2759
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,719
god oh god see i knew this was gonna fly

2760
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:24,880
by and i was just getting revved up man

2761
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,280
oh dear okay sweetheart well thank you

2762
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:29,360
so much for being on the show tonight

2763
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:31,600
and dan will be back with us in probably

2764
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:33,520
four or five months because i wanna i'm

2765
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,840
gonna pester him every you know quarter

2766
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:37,360
of the year just to see if he's gotten

2767
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:39,360
any new information and new fun stuff to

2768
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,719
share with you guys

2769
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:42,719
and uh yeah it sounds like we could do a

2770
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,560
whole show on maybe billy meyer a whole

2771
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:46,560
show on vogel we could do all kinds of

2772
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:48,159
fun things in the future dan if you're

2773
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,199
up for it

2774
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:51,600
and i love having a sparring partner

2775
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,320
when it comes to the the you know the

2776
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,159
whole corey good thing

2777
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:58,400
because you know like i said it's one of

2778
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,080
those things that you know we shouldn't

2779
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:02,719
just be buying it on face value you know

2780
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,159
just because it's there

2781
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:06,639
and uh i think that it goes a lot deeper

2782
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:08,800
and we want to believe right now so you

2783
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,040
know the only reason we do these kind of

2784
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:13,360
shows at least speaking for myself is

2785
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:14,159
that

2786
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:17,679
we know another world completely exists

2787
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,480
that

2788
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:20,800
doesn't have this deception

2789
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:23,520
and can be

2790
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:26,560
only realized when we pull away

2791
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,920
the illusions that have been created

2792
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:32,560
yeah that's the absolute truth i know it

2793
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:34,080
because love is the key and that's what

2794
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,239
they told me a long time ago and and

2795
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:38,560
when you said that tonight it truly is

2796
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,719
the answer to everything love is truly

2797
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,320
it so there we are